The BIP is not a Discordian work: discuss

[Arafelis]

It was Ratatosk, via the Convert_Me Livejournal, with the candlestick.

Since it's going to take all of three seconds for anyone to verify that once it's been pointed out, yeah.  But the whole point was to let Tosk decide for himself how he felt about it.  So, pffffbbbttt.

It's bad juju, man.  We know the fnords are out there, but using them offensively?  This is our left-foot path.

And this is a bad thing....why?  I mean, apart from the fact most people who call themselves left hand pathers are usually pantywaist Satanists and wannabe Sociopaths and Ayn Rand readers and generally take the whole "I am a God" thing way too seriously, and so set themselves up for hilarious and massive falls?

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I went on to say it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, or at least a wrong thing, if it was (as you eloquently summarized) handled better than many attempts at the same.  It's never going to be a good (as in, unicorns and lollipops) thing, but that's all that "bad juju" means.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It was Ratatosk, via the Convert_Me Livejournal, with the candlestick.

Since it's going to take all of three seconds for anyone to verify that once it's been pointed out, yeah.  But the whole point was to let Tosk decide for himself how he felt about it.  So, pffffbbbttt.

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How I felt about it? Heh, well I've enjoyed it, but I am a little confused. Your post on Convert Me, seemed to bemoan the state of the 'pineal' attitude, the "not exploring further" sort of Discordian.

(I think that one of the major weaknesses of Discordianism right now is that so few of its novices dig any deeper than the Principia and then weld it, with the barest of thought, to whatever form of Westernized Eastern religion they're most interested in and a slapdash of dada, when in fact the well is much deeper. But that's a discourse for another time.)

Your post showed a dissatisfaction with the Discordian of Pure POEE Nonsense. A lack of interest in going beyond where Discordianism was when Malaclypse the Younger was inspired and Lord Omar was bearing witness to the Darling of Nyx's eye. So here we have a whole bunch of Discordians romping all over the fucking place... not only beyond the basics of the PD, but to the point of finally being Discordian enough to wipe their ass on what is written.

Now, personally, I have issues with some aspects of the BiP. Some of the original authors have different views now, than they did then. If it were written today, it would probably be a different book, somewhat. Dynamic, evolving ideas are, in my opinion, what makes Discordians so much fun. So, what do you think? Is Discordianism stagnating? Are Discordians really only skimming the surface?

I mean, sure be disappointed with the Discordian that thinks the Law of Fives is a sacred occult secret... be disappointed with the Discordian that bares the game on the table... but at some point, then, the only Discordian that won't disappoint you, is you.

The hermit lives on the hill shinning his lantern of knowledge for all to see as a beacon. Alone, by himself and someday the lantern will run out cause its only got a small supply. Then he'll be an old man with no friends, alone in the dark, on a hill. He'll probably fall and break his hip.... with no Life Alert to help him when he can't get up on his own.

[Arafelis]

Alone, by himself and someday the lantern will run out cause its only got a small supply.

Don't neglect what I said to LMNO there.  It's why I'm here.

So, what do you think? Is Discordianism stagnating? Are Discordians really only skimming the surface?

Ask me again tomorrow.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It was Ratatosk, via the Convert_Me Livejournal, with the candlestick.

Since it's going to take all of three seconds for anyone to verify that once it's been pointed out, yeah.  But the whole point was to let Tosk decide for himself how he felt about it.  So, pffffbbbttt.

I feel like I must be missing something, here. Is there any reason for him to even care? Why? Is it supposed to be some kind of big deal?

[Arafelis]

I feel like I must be missing something, here. Is there any reason for him to even care? Why? Is it supposed to be some kind of big deal?

I don't know if he would care or not, so I didn't presume to make the choice for him.

[fomenter]

It was Ratatosk, via the Convert_Me Livejournal, with the candlestick.

Since it's going to take all of three seconds for anyone to verify that once it's been pointed out, yeah.  But the whole point was to let Tosk decide for himself how he felt about it.  So, pffffbbbttt.

It's bad juju, man.  We know the fnords are out there, but using them offensively?  This is our left-foot path.

And this is a bad thing....why?  I mean, apart from the fact most people who call themselves left hand pathers are usually pantywaist Satanists and wannabe Sociopaths and Ayn Rand readers and generally take the whole "I am a God" thing way too seriously, and so set themselves up for hilarious and massive falls?

I went on to say it wasn't necessarily a bad thing, or at least a wrong thing, if it was (as you eloquently summarized) handled better than many attempts at the same.  It's never going to be a good (as in, unicorns and lollipops) thing, but that's all that "bad juju" means.

if it isn't bad or wrong why use the word bad?

bad juju 
   1. an action that is likely to be harmful in a "karmic" way, that is, a harmful action that may bring about the same action on oneself.

(we might hope our own prison bars are offensively abused karmicly  by fnords  as a result of our own using them that way)

and why should we care if its not unicorns and lollipops kind of use of fnords? this isn't wicca shocking offending and creating chaos with peoples views is what i thought we strive for?

[Arafelis]

if it isn't bad or wrong why use the word bad?

bad juju 
   1. an action that is likely to be harmful in a "karmic" way, that is, a harmful action that may bring about the same action on oneself.

(we might hope our own prison bars are offensively abused karmicly  by fnords  as a result of our own using them that way)

Am I fulfillment of that wish?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I feel like I must be missing something, here. Is there any reason for him to even care? Why? Is it supposed to be some kind of big deal?

I don't know if he would care or not, so I didn't presume to make the choice for him.

??? But everyone already knew that he posted some links over there to try to get people from there over here, and that someone from there had, indeed, ventured over. It's posted in that thread.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

But it might've been the nice guy.

No such thing.

[Arafelis]

Pfft.  Black swans, St. Jaded-ass.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Pfft.  Black swans, St. Jaded-ass.

If I were expecting it, then it's not a black swan, now is it?

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, not to pick nits, but it's not my ass that's jaded, but the asses of my vanquished foes and forlorn lovers.

[Triple Zero]

but at some point, then, the only Discordian that won't disappoint you, is you.

What, him??

Are you sure?

The hermit lives on the hill shinning his lantern of knowledge for all to see as a beacon. Alone, by himself and someday the lantern will run out cause its only got a small supply. Then he'll be an old man with no friends, alone in the dark, on a hill. He'll probably fall and break his hip.... with no Life Alert to help him when he can't get up on his own.

Dude that's like the saddest story EVER. You know this poor guy? Why aren't you helping him?

Here, I set up a PayPal fund, if everybody donates a few bucks, we might be able to buy him a flashlight or a prosthetic hip or something.

But it might've been the nice guy.

Nuh-uh. Not Ratatosk. He likes watching old demented people stumbling about in the dark while he just stands by, doing nothing, until one of them breaks a hip. Do you really think Rat would have invited a nice guy to this forum?

[Telarus]

Fuck off Ratatosk, the Law of Fives is a sacred occult secret. 

[Bu🤠ns]

Also, not to pick nits, but it's not my ass that's jaded, but the asses of my vanquished foes and forlorn lovers.

Briefly, Burns ponders what that might actually be like to have his ass jaded this way....