The BIP is not a Discordian work: discuss

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Dude that's like the saddest story EVER. You know this poor guy? Why aren't you helping him?

Here, I set up a PayPal fund, if everybody donates a few bucks, we might be able to buy him a flashlight or a prosthetic hip or something.

I KNEW it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Also, not to pick nits, but it's not my ass that's jaded, but the asses of my vanquished foes and forlorn lovers.

Briefly, Burns ponders what that might actually be like to have his ass jaded this way....

[nobody]

yanno, it's not a discordian work to me, i realize it is to many of you, and that's fine. part of being discordian is being able to decide for yourself what is discordian. i never really meant any SRS VALUE JUDGEMENTS. to me it's not great and not discordian. if it's discordian to you, great. if it helps you, great. i'll keep my own counsel. arguing at great length over what is discordian is... well, it does help to have a little common ground to work with i guess. i just now realized this irc log from a week or so was posted, and figured if you guys spent all this time discussing my ideas i oughtta weigh in. i was apparently wrong about surrealism being a word before the movement, sorry about, but when i use the word surrealism i mean more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surreal_humour  anyway, to all the haters and people who say i'm a fucking moron and all that, well i love you too sweet-tits.

[AFK]

Why isn't it Discordian? 

[nobody]

why is it?

seriously, i think i made my case for that at the begining of the thread, in that irc log that was posted. if you disagree, that's fine, it can be discordian to you. i'll keep in mind that it's discordian to a large percentage of people who consider themselves discordians. i'm not saying i'm a "really real discordian", or that you're "doing it wrong", just that i think differently. i feel that the core principle of discordianism is enlightment through absurdity, and the BIP doesn't really convey that to me. you did read the first post right?

[AFK]

why is it?

seriously, i think i made my case for that at the begining of the thread, in that irc log that was posted. if you disagree, that's fine, it can be discordian to you. i'll keep in mind that it's discordian to a large percentage of people who consider themselves discordians. i'm not saying i'm a "really real discordian", or that you're "doing it wrong", just that i think differently. i feel that the core principle of discordianism is enlightment through absurdity, and the BIP doesn't really convey that to me. you did read the first post right?

No.  I'm lazy and I'd rather you just tell me now, in the moment.  So that's it?  The BIP isn't absurd enough for you and that's why it isn't Discordian?  How do you come to the assessment that Discordia and Absurdity has to have a firm link? 

[LMNO]

Actually, the BIP is pretty absurd, but you seem to be getting caught up on the fact you have to do a little work on your own to get there.


BIP =/= Fish Slapping Dance

[Cainad (dec.)]

No, I suppose the BIP doesn't convey enlightenment through absurdity. It's pretty straightforward and its jokes are not goofball-zany.

It does, however, convey its ideas through what might be seen as a type of Absurdism, because it denies that our ideas about the meaning of life, the universe, and everything are anything but ideas. Such beliefs are therefore absurd, because they have no relationship to objective reality except through the mind of the believer.

This is something that the PD and the BIP have in common, even if they approach it from wildly different angles. Starbuck's Pebbles and the Reality Grids are metaphors for ideas that are similar to ideas from Absurdism. In this sense, I argue that the BIP is indeed a Discordian work. Stylistic and metaphorical differences are irrelevant.



But I suppose something needs to be clarified: what do you mean by "enlightenment"? When you refer to enlightenment through absurdity, do you mean that the style of goofy, zany humor is critical to this enlightenment?

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Actually, the BIP is pretty absurd, but you seem to be getting caught up on the fact you have to do a little work on your own to get there.


BIP =/= Fish Slapping Dance

Well, you know what?

Butts on your face.

[Cain]

[Cainad (dec.)]

Actually, the BIP is pretty absurd, but you seem to be getting caught up on the fact you have to do a little work on your own to get there.


BIP =/= Fish Slapping Dance

Well, you know what?

Butts on your face.

I redact my previous statement in favor of this much better one.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Absurdism as philosophy is not necessarily HUMOR
Nonsense as salvation doesn't necessarily require Pythonesque Routines.

I think that absurdism is an integral part of Discordianism. Not absurdism humor, necessarily (though I think this is very important for a number of reasons), but rather it appears as a branch of Absurdist Philosophy. Perhaps a giant Absurdist Memetic Entity if you will...

Absurdism, in its most simple form says that there is no meaning to life, except that meaning which you give to life.

The Law of Fives is a practical example in giving meaning to the meaningless. Starbuck's Pebbles are another. The Sermon on Ethics and Love supply an Absrudist punchline. Reality Grids and Reality Tunnels are models of HOW the brains/minds of people create 'meaning' over the meaningless.

In this way, I think that the BiP fits as Absurdist and Discordian. I don't think its the best Discordian work ever... but it displays ACTION on the part of some Discordians. So many Discordian groups seem intent on remembering the holydays and replaying the old memes... But chaos is active and dynamic and pushes forward.

So the PD may have been one stage in the evolutuion of Discordian Philosophy. the BiP may be another and hopefully there will be even more in the future... maybe 20 years from now, the BiP will look like some deformed fish that was not of any value except to act as a stepping stone to a better specimen.

I have plenty of 'critiques' of the BiP in style, word choice, vibe... but that doesn't mean its not Discordian. Eris can be a bitch.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

This entire discussion is retarded. It's like saying pizza is Italian food, but arguing that pasta primavera isn't because it isn't based on bread.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This entire discussion is retarded. It's like saying pizza is Italian food, but arguing that pasta primavera isn't because it isn't based on bread.

this

[Cain]

Or, rather, like why rap sucks but nu-metal is AWSUM!!11!122!