Is it just me or is distaste for Libertarianism contradictory to discordianism?

[navkat]

Ripple, wave. Whatever. The exact phrasing I chose shouldn't be important. The length and breadth of my annoyance had more to do with being screeched at by the dumbasses in numbers around the time President Obama got in. There were a lot of motherfuckers with that "We won, get over it" ethic who probably genuinely believed the president was going to outlaw smoking and obesity, force everyone to buy hybrid vehicles and levy a 30% tax on Little Debbie snack cakes to pay for socialized medicine. I had them screaming in my ear all day long.

What actually happened is another story.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Ripple, wave. Whatever. The exact phrasing I chose shouldn't be important.

Um.  There were a few million euphoric dumbasses.  For about a week.

There were a lot of motherfuckers with that "We won, get over it" ethic who probably genuinely believed the president was going to outlaw smoking and obesity, force everyone to buy hybrid vehicles and levy a 30% tax on Little Debbie snack cakes to pay for socialized medicine. I had them screaming in my ear all day long.

After the weasel-dancing done by the right in 2000 and 2008 (Get over it hippie, the adults are in charge, etc), that was gonna happen no matter what.

But the fact is, the fact that THEY didn't see and that YOU didn't see, was that Obama is about as socialist as the Koch brothers, that he's corporatist swine, and that THEY and YOU were busy swilling the Koolaid as dispensed by the two party con.

You were had.  So were they.

Welcome to America™.  You are doomed, and your children will drink filthy water for the rest of their lives.

What actually happened is another story.

Indeed.

[navkat]

I think there were plenty of us who were dubious. Let me make this clear: I have NEVER been against social assistance. In spite of my libertarian leanings and my own massive love-affair with some the crap tumbling out of Glenn Beck's pie-hole, I was never on the "Hand 'em all a shovel and tell them to dig their own way out" train.

And the fear-mongering didn't prevent me from voting for his ass, either, now did it?

I had high hopes for the New Kid. The ridiculous "Obama's going to solve all my problems" people nauseated me because I think of government itself as stagnant and recalcitrant and I have a pretty realistic view that no matter how much someone wants to fix everything, they're going to hit road blocks and people they "owe."

I just didn't think it would be this bad.

There are dumbasses on both sides. I remember when John McCain proposed forcing everyone to buy from the corrupt insurance companies and the left RAGED about it. And rightfully so, it's a fucking stupid idea.

When Obama locked himself in a room with those same corporations and the current "affordable care act" was produced, these same voices were either silent or for it. Why?

Libertarian ideals, at their purest, unburdened by Koch and teaparty drivel are not inherently evil. Neither is socialism. These are ideas and they are tools. I believe a successful society is one which incorporates the best of anything that gets the job done with the least amount of infringement on personal choice. I like having libraries AND the right to remove the tracking software from my mobile phone. I like that there's a system in place to prevent Motorola and Honeywell from dumping any more shit into the ground water at Hassayampa. And I like being allowed to vape my e-juice without being told what flavors I can or can not have.

I want the drug war to end and to be allowed to munch quality, safe power-pellets but I still want to pay the same taxes so the money pays to educate those most at risk for ruining themselves with drugs and for the care they need if they get into trouble.

Why is that so hard? Why do people need to get on the same train and ride it into the depths of hell?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Libertarian ideals, at their purest, unburdened by Koch and teaparty drivel are not inherently evil.

And communism would have worked out just fine if Stalin hadn't gotten ahold of it.

Or so I am told.

Fact:  Neither philosophy takes human nature into account, so neither philosophy works.  The Koch's and the teabaggers were going to happen, because that philosophy is tailor made to suit their ends.

[navkat]

Libertarian ideals, at their purest, unburdened by Koch and teaparty drivel are not inherently evil.

And communism would have worked out just fine if Stalin hadn't gotten ahold of it.

Or so I am told.

Fact:  Neither philosophy takes human nature into account, so neither philosophy works.  The Koch's and the teabaggers were going to happen, because that philosophy is tailor made to suit their ends.

Right. That's why the best philosophy is an approach that prioritizes liberty without throwing common sense and social responsibility to the wind.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Libertarian ideals, at their purest, unburdened by Koch and teaparty drivel are not inherently evil.

And communism would have worked out just fine if Stalin hadn't gotten ahold of it.

Or so I am told.

Fact:  Neither philosophy takes human nature into account, so neither philosophy works.  The Koch's and the teabaggers were going to happen, because that philosophy is tailor made to suit their ends.

Right. That's why the best philosophy is an approach that prioritizes liberty without throwing common sense and social responsibility to the wind.

And how's that working out for you, in real time?

[navkat]

It's not because it's not happening that way in this country. We've thrown common sense and social responsibility to the wind. The people are being restricted while the government is at liberty to work in collusion with the corporate world to keep it that way.

We don't live in a Libertarian-Socialist society, we live in a fascist one.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's not because it's not happening that way in this country. We've thrown common sense and social responsibility to the wind. The people are being restricted while the government is at liberty to work in collusion with the corporate world to keep it that way.

We don't live in a Libertarian-Socialist society, we live in a fascist one.

That's right.  Because fascism is the default position for the human race.  Every time shit gets complex, here we are.

[navkat]

So what's the solution?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

So what's the solution?

Historically?

A great big fucking war.  EVERY TIME.

[navkat]

It certainly seems that way.

[Pergamos]

It's not because it's not happening that way in this country. We've thrown common sense and social responsibility to the wind. The people are being restricted while the government is at liberty to work in collusion with the corporate world to keep it that way.

We don't live in a Libertarian-Socialist society, we live in a fascist one.

You do realize Libertarian Socialist isn't some new political philosophy you just came up with and is actually synonymous with Anarchism right?  It's the original meaning of the word Libertarian, before the American Libertarian-Capitalists got ahold of it.

[navkat]

It's not because it's not happening that way in this country. We've thrown common sense and social responsibility to the wind. The people are being restricted while the government is at liberty to work in collusion with the corporate world to keep it that way.

We don't live in a Libertarian-Socialist society, we live in a fascist one.

You do realize Libertarian Socialist isn't some new political philosophy you just came up with and is actually synonymous with Anarchism right?  It's the original meaning of the word Libertarian, before the American Libertarian-Capitalists got ahold of it.

Yep. I believe in heavily-unioned Anarchy and a big "fuck you" to the corporate world.

[Pergamos]

It's not because it's not happening that way in this country. We've thrown common sense and social responsibility to the wind. The people are being restricted while the government is at liberty to work in collusion with the corporate world to keep it that way.

We don't live in a Libertarian-Socialist society, we live in a fascist one.

You do realize Libertarian Socialist isn't some new political philosophy you just came up with and is actually synonymous with Anarchism right?  It's the original meaning of the word Libertarian, before the American Libertarian-Capitalists got ahold of it.

Yep. I believe in heavily-unioned Anarchy and a big "fuck you" to the corporate world.

Ok, just checking since American Libertarians tend to think Libertarian Socialist is some kind of impossible contradiction.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It's not because it's not happening that way in this country. We've thrown common sense and social responsibility to the wind. The people are being restricted while the government is at liberty to work in collusion with the corporate world to keep it that way.

We don't live in a Libertarian-Socialist society, we live in a fascist one.

You do realize Libertarian Socialist isn't some new political philosophy you just came up with and is actually synonymous with Anarchism right?  It's the original meaning of the word Libertarian, before the American Libertarian-Capitalists got ahold of it.

Yep. I believe in heavily-unioned Anarchy and a big "fuck you" to the corporate world.

Ok, just checking since American Libertarians tend to think Libertarian Socialist is some kind of impossible contradiction.

I gotta ask, where has it worked?