Purposes and goals of mindfucks

[LMNO]

Well, I'd say Discord is the original given definition: "lack of concord or harmony between persons or things"

While Discordia is the Roman name of Eris, and/or the standard realm of action in which Discordianism takes place.


Emergence is a concept that Kai really digs, and can explain best himself.

[Kai]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

Well, if we tack from "Creative Disorder/Creative Order" Emergence might fit.

[Captain Utopia]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

[Kai]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think I'm just flat out confused.

[LMNO]

It seems to be stemming from an incomplete understanding of Emergence, I'm guessing.

I can see the metaphor of how environmental "discord" can prompt evolutionary changes, but I'm not making the jump to Emergence.

[Captain Utopia]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think I'm just flat out confused.

What I wrote makes perfect sense to me, but it's more likely that I'm confused since I can't remember a time when I wasn't.

[Kai]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think I'm just flat out confused.

What I wrote makes perfect sense to me, but it's more likely that I'm confused since I can't remember a time when I wasn't.

No, I think I'm just out of map-making spoons for the moment. I'll get back to you this evening.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think I'm just flat out confused.

What I wrote makes perfect sense to me, but it's more likely that I'm confused since I can't remember a time when I wasn't.

No, I think I'm just out of map-making spoons for the moment. I'll get back to you this evening.

But Kai...


THERE IS NO SPOON!

[Kai]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think I'm just flat out confused.

What I wrote makes perfect sense to me, but it's more likely that I'm confused since I can't remember a time when I wasn't.

No, I think I'm just out of map-making spoons for the moment. I'll get back to you this evening.

But Kai...


THERE IS NO SPOON!

shhh....trying to make a point about defining your terms and not assuming your audience just automatically knows what you're talking about

[Captain Utopia]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think I'm just flat out confused.

What I wrote makes perfect sense to me, but it's more likely that I'm confused since I can't remember a time when I wasn't.

No, I think I'm just out of map-making spoons for the moment. I'll get back to you this evening.

But Kai...


THERE IS NO SPOON!

shhh....trying to make a point about defining your terms and not assuming your audience just automatically knows what you're talking about

Ah - sorry - too subtle for me

Emergence:

as a phenomenon, can be summed up by the statement "the whole is greater than the sum of the parts". In other words, when you have close knit systems of similar bits and pieces in interaction with each other, there is a certain level of interaction that yields higher structure and properties than that of the individual parts.

Discord:

"lack of concord or harmony between persons or things"

The definition of discord does not state that there is total and absolute disharmony "?", but states only that absolute harmony/concord/stasis "!" is not present. Discordia itself seems to delight from what you can create when you play in between those two (absolute/non-existent?) states, and eschews stasis. It can be applied to any domain, but is usually taken to refer to our physical universe.

The definition of emergence implies, but does not require, a linear timeline and can be applied to multiple domains. It assumes that there is not absolute harmony "!", nor absolute disharmony "?", as it loses all meaning at those singularities. It does not, and can not, predict the outcome of the interactions, but neither does it care to, because it is in of itself comprised of the interplay between "!" and "?".

I think I love emergence, I just don't understand it. Or rather, I think it may be possible to gain an understanding of its individual components (if they are "!" and "?"), but that says nothing about being able to automatically gain insight into its interactions.

[the last yatto]

It bothers me when people make unequivocal statements about easily-verifiable things without first doing any research to make sure they are actually right.

i think the little geotia's point was
if you dont know where you are on the map,
you dont know where to start

[Captain Utopia]

It bothers me when people make unequivocal statements about easily-verifiable things without first doing any research to make sure they are actually right.

i think the little geotia's point was
if you dont know where you are on the map,
you dont know where to start

Speaking from a radial perspective, I disagree completely. But I'm not married to that perspective, it's just a useful model.

[Triple Zero]

Apologies for the newbie question, but what is the difference between Discord and Emergence? Or is it an apples/oranges thing?

Discord, or Discordia?

This. Also, I don't see how one could confuse Emergence and Discord, or Emergence and Discordia.

In the sense that a lack of concord or harmony between different persons or things could be determined as the state which allows those persons or things to express their creative individuality.

Or am I mixing domains?

I think you are. Emergence, while compatible with Discordianism, is a separate philosophical/religious idea. Kai is working it out into a more religious direction, and we found out that some people on this forum have very similar thoughts about the origin of complexity (creation), but it's not really related to Discordianism ... yet.
I mean, we can probably draw all sorts of parallels and work them into eachother, but as we haven't got a very fine grasp on Emergence (it's quite mind boggling IMO), I don't really feel the need to go there yet

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It bothers me when people make unequivocal statements about easily-verifiable things without first doing any research to make sure they are actually right.

i think the little geotia's point was
if you dont know where you are on the map,
you dont know where to start

Speaking from a radial perspective, I disagree completely. But I'm not married to that perspective, it's just a useful model.

That thing you do, where you hotlink a word in your post so that in order to pick up context or a joke one have to break one's chain of thought and tediously follow an external link, which 99% of the time turns out to be either stupid or pure laziness on your part for not including the context in your post... where did you pick up that odious habit?

I wish I were the professor of PD.com so I could flunk you for doing it.