Incoherent Ramblings: Right to Life & Eugenics

[fomenter]

Looking for a use other than trolling.  Selecting for anything can't have good results.  Pressure towards a more feral state might favor intelligence and strength and other raw talents, but society couldn't have as many members, as closely packed.

Not that society's anywhere near it's appropriate size or properties.

what is the appropriate size for society? and what are its most appropriate property's ? there used to be a group that said blond hair and blue eyes were, and they took action to adjust the size of society as well, if i recall correctly..

[Kai]

Eugenics. All of it. Disgusting.

On the other hand, I'm all for random sterilizations. Me first!

[Rumckle]

Ugh, I hate it when discussions on eugenics succumb to Godwin's law.

Just because the Nazis where pro-eugenics doesn't make the entire system bad.


Also Kai, it isn't random if you volunteer

[The Johnny]

You can volunteer to be part of a group to be randomly sterilized

[Golden Applesauce]

I'm of the opinion that genetics surveys should be freely (or cheaply) available to potential parents, along with a pamphlet helpfully reminding them of the hundreds of thousands of cute orphans who want to be adopted.  Then, if they don't like the odds of their child having whatever genetic condition they can adjust their childbearing plans accordingly.  If they don't care or don't choose to take take the survey, no big deal.

Something something humans acting rationally given sufficient information something.   

Okay, we'd probably end up overall selecting for something worthless as far as survival and quality of life goes, but at least it would be democratic.

[LMNO]

Ugh, I hate it when discussions on eugenics succumb to Godwin's law.

Just because the Nazis where pro-eugenics doesn't make the entire system bad.

This should be good.  Do go on.

[AFK]

Okay so who determined who the top 5% are?  Who designs the survey, assessment, evaluation, whatever, that determines who fits into this elite category?

And then lets think about another thing.  When we gather this Elite Club of 5 Percenters, are we measuring their EQ along with their IQ?  Are we factoring social markers into the formula?  Because it would be rather comical if you get this clan of smarties together and find out their a bunch of fucking squares who sweat and buckle at the idea of talking to the opposite sex, nevermind getting them in the sack and deciding to start a family. 

Oh, whether Nazis did this or no, what you propose is horrifically awful. 

[Triple Zero]

well, if you're going to be like that, you're not getting in either.

[AFK]

Somehow I suspect the puns and the nose flute would disqualify me immediately. 

[Rumckle]

Okay so who determined who the top 5% are?  Who designs the survey, assessment, evaluation, whatever, that determines who fits into this elite category?

And then lets think about another thing.  When we gather this Elite Club of 5 Percenters, are we measuring their EQ along with their IQ?  Are we factoring social markers into the formula?  Because it would be rather comical if you get this clan of smarties together and find out their a bunch of fucking squares who sweat and buckle at the idea of talking to the opposite sex, nevermind getting them in the sack and deciding to start a family. 

Oh, whether Nazis did this or no, what you propose is horrifically awful. 

are you kidding me?

Yes, yes I was.

[Rumckle]

Ugh, I hate it when discussions on eugenics succumb to Godwin's law.

Just because the Nazis where pro-eugenics doesn't make the entire system bad.

This should be good.  Do go on.

Ok, apart from me being pissed off when any argument descends to the level of "the Nazis did it therefore it is bad".

Now, I just want to clarify my knowledge of genetics isn't that great, so I may make some mistakes.

Huntington's disease is genetic (I believe), so, say we can do a test, when the fetus is only a small number of cells to test for it. Then we can alter the genes of each cell to alter the gene in question (as at this stage there is a small number of genes) to get rid of the disease if the fetus has it. Surely this is a positive application of eugenics.

[fomenter]

eu⋅gen⋅ics
  /yuˈdʒɛnɪks/ [yoo-jen-iks]

–noun (used with a singular verb)
the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics)

Medical Genetics is the specialty of medicine that involves the diagnosis and management of hereditary disorders. Medical genetics differs from Human genetics in that human genetics is a field of scientific research that may or may not apply to medicine, but medical genetics refers to the application of genetics to medical care.

Medical genetics was a late developer, emerging largely after the close of World War II (1945) when the eugenics movement had fallen into disrepute. The Nazi misuse of eugenics sounded its death knell. Shorn of eugenics, a scientific approach could be used and was applied to human and medical genetics. Medical genetics saw an increasingly rapid rise in the second half of the 20th century and continues in the 21st century.

i am not an expert and i had to grab the medical genetics definition from wikipidia (resident experts can correct) but you seem to be confusing eugenics and medical genetics,

[Rumckle]

Perhaps, I've mostly seen any purposeful genetic selection or alteration as eugenics (though sometimes I am careful to distinguish new eugenics and old eugenics).

However, I have taken a 100 level philosophy course and therefore know everything about everything, so stfu.
(that above statement is intended in jest, just pointing that out seeing as though I seem to be misunderstood a lot lately)

[Kai]

No WE MUST HAVE RANDOM STERILIZATIONS.

[Kai]

You can volunteer to be part of a group to be randomly sterilized

^This.^