The Reappropriation of Maps

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Remember that, by definition of 100, half the world has a two-digit IQ.

This actually makes me want to die.

I try to never think about it. I am not OK with this on a pretty major level. I am not a big believer in IQ testing per se, because I think it is massively flawed. But the fact that so many of the "humans" I share a planet with are about as smart as a goddamn chinchilla really depresses me.

[Cramulus]

Remember that, by definition of 100, half the world has a two-digit IQ.

This actually makes me want to die.

I try to never think about it. I am not OK with this on a pretty major level. I am not a big believer in IQ testing per se, because I think it is massively flawed. But the fact that so many of the "humans" I share a planet with are about as smart as a goddamn chinchilla really depresses me.

wow, you go from being dismissive of IQ testing, and in the next breath you say that people with a below average IQ are barely human? _{(which is what I took from putting human in quotes)}


one of the problems with IQ testing is that it only tests one type of intelligence. There are a lot of people with IQs in the 90s who are perfectly passable human beings. Many of them have enormous talent or creativity. Likewise there are people with higher IQs that seem dumb as posts. I'm reminded of a good buddy of mine who is a brilliant fine-art photographer, but probably has a low IQ due to his dyslexia and general disdain for written tests. So don't be so hasty to compare people to chinchillas.  

also, the way IQ works is that the average is always 100. If we lived in a culture of Einsteins and Hawkings, the average IQ would still be 100. So saying that half the world has an IQ below 100 is like saying "half the people are below average, the other half are above average"... not exactly that depressing.

[the other anonymous]

re-read OP.

The point I'm trying to make is: I didn't read it the first time.

I don't need to, you are living proof that my argument is correct, deal with it.

Insufficient! What good is truth if it gets you hanged? Convince them! Lead them! Rule them!

again, from an introductory point of view

Again: I wasn't properly introduced! You got to make the Map say "Hi, toa! let's be friends!" Instead, all it said was, "Fuck you, toa, Ima poomp on you!"

@Enki, as far as PDers are concerned its old hat,

I like old hats. They smell funny.

as far as explanations go, this one seemed to work well, even if its ideas weren't particularly agreed with.

Exactly! Good to hear you admit I'm right.

-toa,
one hundred is skewed by a self-selection bias...

[LMNO]

Damn, TOA.  I forgot what a fucking jackass you are.

[the other anonymous]

Damn, TOA.  I forgot what a fucking jackass you are.

That's the point! He's writing an essay to explain The Map to outsiders. By being as obnoxious as possible, I prepare him for the worst of the outsiders' response.

What good is communication if the other party doesn't understand the message? Speak the audience's language! For most humans*, this is hate, fear, and God.

* No quotes, because I'm superman!

-toa,
professionally obnoxious

[Captain Utopia]

It doesn't come across as trying to be helpful, with a veneer of obnoxion.. but the other way around.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Damn, TOA.  I forgot what a fucking jackass you are.

That's the point! He's writing an essay to explain The Map to outsiders. By being as obnoxious as possible, I prepare him for the worst of the outsiders' response.

What good is communication if the other party doesn't understand the message? Speak the audience's language! For most humans*, this is hate, fear, and God.

* No quotes, because I'm superman!

-toa,
professionally obnoxious

So rereading it with that in mind... not bad... Reading it the first time, you came off like an ass. Yay perception!

Maybe next time put a <devils advocate> tag in there somewhere

[the other anonymous]

So rereading it with that in mind... not bad... Reading it the first time, you came off like an ass. Yay perception!

Maybe next time put a <devils advocate> tag in there somewhere

That would be telling! Known unknowns, y'know? Throw 'em a curve ball! Inoculate them! They can't learn to control the debate if it never tries to escape!

-toa,
not quite sure what he's saying, but is saying it a lot

[Triple Zero]

Remember that, by definition of 100, half the world has a two-digit IQ.

This actually makes me want to die.

I try to never think about it. I am not OK with this on a pretty major level. I am not a big believer in IQ testing per se, because I think it is massively flawed. But the fact that so many of the "humans" I share a planet with are about as smart as a goddamn chinchilla really depresses me.

one tiny glimpse of light is that the 100 standard was set a long time ago and hasnt been updated since (citation needed, but I heard it somewhere), and that the current average is actually a bit higher than 100. check wikipedia for stats, i suppose.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Remember that, by definition of 100, half the world has a two-digit IQ.

This actually makes me want to die.

I try to never think about it. I am not OK with this on a pretty major level. I am not a big believer in IQ testing per se, because I think it is massively flawed. But the fact that so many of the "humans" I share a planet with are about as smart as a goddamn chinchilla really depresses me.

one tiny glimpse of light is that the 100 standard was set a long time ago and hasnt been updated since (citation needed, but I heard it somewhere), and that the current average is actually a bit higher than 100. check wikipedia for stats, i suppose.

... so, still about as smart as a chinchilla, is what you're saying. Check.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Remember that, by definition of 100, half the world has a two-digit IQ.

This actually makes me want to die.

I try to never think about it. I am not OK with this on a pretty major level. I am not a big believer in IQ testing per se, because I think it is massively flawed. But the fact that so many of the "humans" I share a planet with are about as smart as a goddamn chinchilla really depresses me.

wow, you go from being dismissive of IQ testing, and in the next breath you say that people with a below average IQ are barely human? _{(which is what I took from putting human in quotes)}

Does my dislike of most of humanity really come as a huge surprise to you? Have you been to a mall lately? There's your "average".

one of the problems with IQ testing is that it only tests one type of intelligence. There are a lot of people with IQs in the 90s who are perfectly passable human beings. Many of them have enormous talent or creativity. Likewise there are people with higher IQs that seem dumb as posts. I'm reminded of a good buddy of mine who is a brilliant fine-art photographer, but probably has a low IQ due to his dyslexia and general disdain for written tests. So don't be so hasty to compare people to chinchillas.  

also, the way IQ works is that the average is always 100. If we lived in a culture of Einsteins and Hawkings, the average IQ would still be 100. So saying that half the world has an IQ below 100 is like saying "half the people are below average, the other half are above average"... not exactly that depressing.

Yeah, but we don't live in a world of Einsteins and Hawkings. We live in a world of


THERE'S YOUR AVERAGE.

CHIN FUCKING CHILLA. GIVE IT A FUCKING RAISIN AND WATCH IT EAT. AWWWWW.

[LMNO]

I'm calling you out, Nigel.

I think that only a small percentage of people have actively abandoned their potential.

The rest never even knew it existed.

so what if they never did well on a test? If Little Orange flunked an "intelligence" test, do you think anyone would be fooled? No, she's smart.

So, It would seem that by you not giving them a chance, you are equally to blame.

[Cramulus]

Does my dislike of most of humanity really come as a huge surprise to you?

oh, not at all. I'm just bemused to see a crap measure like IQ be held up as a real indicator of humanity's general fail.  Might as well use an e-meter or some shit. 

[the other anonymous]

THIS THREAD IS FULL OF JACKLOVE.

Let's all return our attention to me and what an ass I am.

-toa,
jack's thread-jack thread

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

I don't know that IQ is necessarily a metric for humanity's fail. I figure it's the other way around. If we weren't disappointed with the state of the world, we wouldn't be drawn to discordianism (which after all is, if nothing else, rebellious against status:q). IQ (among other things) is a convenient way of systemizing what we already 'know*' -- that humanity is lame.

* know, believe, assume, figure, hope, fear, whatever.