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[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

re: the GIS, i notice the first fellow has 'got root?' on hi shirt which i presume means he's a computer geek.... interesting.  and on the second pic, i am totally jealous of that fellow's Lahti.  

I suspect that first one is a bit staged.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Oh just be happy im not from ohio.

Yeah, those people from Ohio suck.

But at least its got a rhythm and they don't use their teeth.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

re: the GIS, i notice the first fellow has 'got root?' on hi shirt which i presume means he's a computer geek.... interesting.  and on the second pic, i am totally jealous of that fellow's Lahti.  

I suspect that first one is a bit staged.

Maybe he pulls stumps for a living....

[Kai]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip. While I usually enjoy the job that NPR does of reporting news both national and local, I had to turn it off when they started discussing shit that sounded very much like "is teh shooter an islamofascist TERRARIST?" I just can't deal with that shit. To me, it sounds like the guy had a total breakdown associated with being forced to aid those who are fighting against people he considers extended family. He just cracked, and yeah, talking with an iman known for radical leanings probably didn't help his mental state any, but that doesn't make him a terrorist in the same way that a postal worker that goes to work with a shotgun isn't a terrorist.

Is it just me, or is all news, even NPR, turning into FUCKING /FOX/?

[LMNO]

Not so much FOX as Sensationalist.  The night it happened, they were doing a live broadcast where I heard the following:

"As reporters, we know better than to guess at the motives of this attack before all facts are in.  However, it seems the shooter was a radical muslim who may have written an inflammatory blog post praising suicide bombers." (emphasis mine).

[AFK]

So when does Glen Beck start his crusade to investigate every person in the military who is a Muslim? 

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

So when does Glen Beck start his crusade to investigate every person in the military who is a Muslim? 

You think they aren't doing so already? 

[AFK]

Oh sure, I'm just wondering when it starts happening in the court of public opinion.  That is, when it is spear headed by someone who makes his living on shaping public opinion. 

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

Oh sure, I'm just wondering when it starts happening in the court of public opinion.  That is, when it is spear headed by someone who makes his living on shaping public opinion. 

I think it might be shut down on a public level, I don't think they want us to kow how much they really do invade our privacy... yanno?

[LMNO]

It's being started by the "masses" who've been calling in to these talk shows.

Oh, there was also some dumbfuck congresswoman.  Lemme see if I can find--

Ah, yes.

http://www.suemyrick.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6229

[Sir Squid Diddimus]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

[AFK]

It's being started by the "masses" who've been calling in to these talk shows.

Oh, there was also some dumbfuck congresswoman.  Lemme see if I can find--

Ah, yes.

http://www.suemyrick.com/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6229

She's an outstanding American.  Someone should give her an award or something. 

[Golden Applesauce]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

That's what I've been trying to tell people.  He was a uniformed soldier shooting (mostly) other uniformed soldiers.  That's an act of war, not terrorism.

What worries me is that the feds apparently intercepted a series* of messages (concerning some research or other Hasan was doing) between Hasan and this al-Awlaki guy.  What really worries me is that according to the news, we're supposed to be complaining that nobody did anything about him having "ties" to a radical religious group, and not that the messages were intercepted in the first place.  Last time I checked, we ostensibly still had freedom of religion and association - I get the feeling that this will be used to justify more warrantless spying on citizens.

*I understand intercepting the first one, as al-Awlaki was the subject of an investigation.  But they kept intercepting his communications, "just in case."

Three senior investigative officials, who insisted they not be identified by name because of the sensitive nature of the ongoing federal investigation, told reporters in Washington that Hasan was never nominated to be on a watch list. He was able to purchase weapons legally and had done nothing to justify even a preliminary investigation, they said.

In addition, Hasan had a security clearance at the "secret" level and received good performance reviews, they said. Nonetheless, they continued to examine his communications with the cleric in Yemen for several months as a precaution.

[Elder Iptuous]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

Quiet, you! with your insistence on consistency of definition!
the words mean what they mean for them to mean; nothing more, and nothing less!

(this reminds me of how NPR continuously referred to the fellow that tried to blow up one of our Dallas skyscrapers a couple months ago as using a 'weapon of mass destruction' when talking about a car bomb.... that really rubbed me wrong)

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

I dunno... shooting a room full of unarmed men that believe you to be on their side... at home, while they're filling out paperwork.... that's not exactly opposing armies. The real questions is will the act cause Terror among civilians... and among the military. I heard an interview with an active duty soldier last night. She said that she doesn't think every Muslim soldier is a threat, but she will now consider the possibility every time she is stationed with one... "Case by case basis" she said... "but, you know, I have to suspect that some of them might..."

Getting the armed forces to lose trust in each other is a pretty good "terrorist" result. turning the teaming masses of Americans into "OMGZ TEH MOSLEMS ARE IN OUR MILITARY, SHOOTIN OUR DUDES" lolcivilians is a pretty good result for 'terror' as well.

And as far as I know, the Military are not equally protected in their private conversations, the way civilians are. In the case of Hasan, the report claimed that the FBI came across him, while investigating the Imam.

Only time will tell if this guy was just crazy, or crazy and indoctrinated with very bad Dogma (as opposed to bad Dogma which mostl religious people seem infected with, be they Muslim, Christian, Jew or Pagan).