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[Kai]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

I guess I don't have any news to go to except PD.com then anymore. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

I guess I don't have any news to go to except PD.com then anymore. 

Out of the options we have NPR seems the least bad...

[Kai]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

I guess I don't have any news to go to except PD.com then anymore. 

Out of the options we have NPR seems the least bad...

I get sick of the bullshit, Rat. You know what I mean, the sort of brain melting stupidity that can be heard from any newscast. The voices burn my ears with the steady weird emphasis meant to convey emotion and excitement but still spoken in an underlying emotionless voice. They're all the same rat, just try this: tune in to any newscast, radio or television, and listen to the voices. They all sound EXACTLY THE SAME, the same meter, the same emphasis, never mind what they're talking about even though that is almost homogeneous as well. And those eyes, those EYES and the faces, all smiling. The teleprompters could be feeding them gibberish and it would sound exactly the same. It's driving me mad, Rat.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

I guess I don't have any news to go to except PD.com then anymore. 

Out of the options we have NPR seems the least bad...

I get sick of the bullshit, Rat. You know what I mean, the sort of brain melting stupidity that can be heard from any newscast. The voices burn my ears with the steady weird emphasis meant to convey emotion and excitement but still spoken in an underlying emotionless voice. They're all the same rat, just try this: tune in to any newscast, radio or television, and listen to the voices. They all sound EXACTLY THE SAME, the same meter, the same emphasis, never mind what they're talking about even though that is almost homogeneous as well. And those eyes, those EYES and the faces, all smiling. The teleprompters could be feeding them gibberish and it would sound exactly the same. It's driving me mad, Rat.

Having learned to speak that way when I was in school for Broadcasting, I totally know what your talking about.

On the up side, I no longer speak like a half-literate yokel. On the other hand, I was pretty damn close to being one of those disembodied voices.... 

[Kai]

 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Not only that, but I can still do it...

it does make me feel a little dirty though.

[Telarus]

"The News" - Jack Johnson

A billion people died on the news tonight
But not so many cried at the terrible sight
Well mama said
It's just make believe
You can't believe everything you see
So baby close your eyes to the lullabies
On the news tonight

Who's the one to decide that it would be alright
To put the music behind the news tonight
Well mama said
You can't believe everything you hear
The diagetic world is so unclear
So baby close your ears
On the news tonight
On the news tonight

The unobtrusive tones on the news tonight
And mama said

Why don't the newscasters cry when they read about people who die?
At least they could be decent enough to put just a tear in their eyes
Mama said
It's just make believe
You cant believe everything you see
So baby close your eyes to the lullabies
On the news tonight

[BabylonHoruv]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

I dunno... shooting a room full of unarmed men that believe you to be on their side... at home, while they're filling out paperwork.... that's not exactly opposing armies. The real questions is will the act cause Terror among civilians... and among the military. I heard an interview with an active duty soldier last night. She said that she doesn't think every Muslim soldier is a threat, but she will now consider the possibility every time she is stationed with one... "Case by case basis" she said... "but, you know, I have to suspect that some of them might..."

Getting the armed forces to lose trust in each other is a pretty good "terrorist" result. turning the teaming masses of Americans into "OMGZ TEH MOSLEMS ARE IN OUR MILITARY, SHOOTIN OUR DUDES" lolcivilians is a pretty good result for 'terror' as well.

And as far as I know, the Military are not equally protected in their private conversations, the way civilians are. In the case of Hasan, the report claimed that the FBI came across him, while investigating the Imam.

Only time will tell if this guy was just crazy, or crazy and indoctrinated with very bad Dogma (as opposed to bad Dogma which mostl religious people seem infected with, be they Muslim, Christian, Jew or Pagan).

An opposing army is an opposing army regardless of what they're doing.  When Japan dropped bombs all over a military base that wasn't really doing much, we called that an act of war.  The loss of trust that you describe is a good result for a PsyOps operation in general, although only if they wanted increased discrimination and violence against Muslims and anybody who could be mistaken for one by an idiot with a baseball bat.

With regards to the military not getting the same protections in conversation - I guess that makes sense, but I still think this will be used to justify more encroachment on the civil rights of ordinary citizens.

Actually our government and enraged folks with baseball bats acting out against Muslims is a big part of what Al-Queda wants, may not be true of all radical Muslim organizatons.  The worse we are treating Muslims the more sympathetic they are going to be to Al-Queda and others proclaiming that we have declared war not just on their organization but on Islam as a whole.

[Cain]

You're both right:

When war starts, there is of course a kind of rupture in the international order, but power relations which cross the battle lines do not disappear entirely. Thus, we can see a certain kind of cooperation and mutuality between sides in even "total" conflicts. A war has a certain kind of semi-stable existence, which allows its incorporation into strategies of power, in which the war is presupposed in the strategic configuration of power relations on both sides of the battle lines, and in which a certain dynamic operates between the foes as the contest with one another for domination, just as individuals or groups do within society in peacetime. War is no more unidirectional than any other modality of power relations (it could not be, since the two are bound together): within the victor's camp there has always been vying for position, strategy, alliance, and also within the defeated people. Hence alliances, implicit or explicit, across the lines of battle between mutually supportive tendencies in the other camp have always existed too: the Allies wanted the plotters against Hitler to succeed and, even if the two groups were not in direct communication, the Allies formed an essential component of the renegades' plot to kill Hitler and rescue Germany, the Allies hoping to incite just such treachery within the ranks of the enemy.

The Political Philosophy of Michel Foucault, Mark G. E. Kelly, page 51-52

The biggest adherents of the "clash of the civilizations" are both globally aiming takfiri terrorist groups, such as Al-Qaeda, and elements within the US national security state, and both benefit from such a theory, as it forces their potential enemies to otherwise support them against a dangerous and implacable foe, justifies their actions and increases their power base.  

[Iron Sulfide]

What do you think is likely?
They want us to think it was extremism    - 2 (16.7%)
It actualy is extremism    - 3 (25%)
It's the same people that were after Lord Omar.    - 4 (33.3%)
Its all obamas fault.    - 2 (16.7%)
It was just a bad acid trip!    - 1 (8.3%)

I hope you wake up with fetid shit in your bed if these are the only options you could come up with.

Yes. I ended my fucking sentence with a proposition. Deal with it.

[Cain]

Just a reminder from Jeff Shartlet:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/6/the_crusade_for_a_christian_military

"Well, after about a year of interviewing military personnel, this was, in some ways, the most frightening story that I encountered. A man named Staff Sergeant Jeffery Humphrey, one of the very few soldiers who, in this military climate, had the courage to come forward and speak out about what he had seen, he had been stationed in Samarra. It was Easter. The day began calmly. A chaplain brought around a copy of Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic film 'Passion of the Christ,' which they then put on constant play throughout the day.

"When they came under attack, the Special Forces, Army Special Forces to whom he was assigned, had their Iraqi translator, an Iraqi American Christian, paint in giant red Arabic letters on the side of a Bradley fighting vehicle the words 'Jesus killed Mohammed.' Then, while they put the translator on the roof with a bullhorn, shouting in Arabic, 'Jesus killed Mohammed,' and then training their guns, training American guns on anybody who responded, the Bradley fighting vehicle rolled out into the city of Samarra and drawing fire everywhere it went, leading the Special Forces to conclude that every single Iraqi who took offense at these words, 'Jesus killed Mohammed,' was part of the enemy and therefore needed to be destroyed.

"And I spoke to the man who drove that Bradley, Lieutenant John DeGiulio, now Captain John DeGiulio, promoted since. And he describes wreaking almost biblical destruction on one whole block, blowing up every single thing he saw. And he said he was able to do this, because God was on his side and because he had been spiritually armored by watching Mel Gibson's 'Passion of the Christ'. And then he thanked his chaplain for preparing him for that kind of spiritual battle on the streets of Iraq."

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

Related.

http://www.tampabay.com/news/publicsafety/crime/article1050707.ece

TAMPA — Marine reservist Jasen Bruce was getting clothes out of the trunk of his car Monday evening when a bearded man in a robe approached him.

That man, a Greek Orthodox priest named Father Alexios Marakis, speaks little English and was lost, police said. He wanted directions.

What the priest got instead, police say, was a tire iron to the head. Then he was chased for three blocks and pinned to the ground — as the Marine kept a 911 operator on the phone, saying he had captured a terrorist.

Police say Bruce offered several reasons to explain his actions:

The man tried to rob him.

The man grabbed Bruce's crotch and made an overt sexual advance in perfect English.

The man yelled "Allahu Akbar," Arabic for "God is great," the same words some witnesses said the Fort Hood shooting suspect uttered last week.

"That's what they tell you right before they blow you up," police say Bruce told them.

Bruce ended up in jail, accused of aggravated battery with a deadly weapon. He was released Tuesday on $7,500 bail. Marakis ended up at the hospital with stitches. He told the police he didn't want to press charges, espousing biblical forgiveness.

But Tuesday, Bruce wasn't saying sorry.

More at link.

[LMNO]

Needs to be cross-referenced with the "WTF Florida" thread.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I do not recall if the Greek Orthodox Muslims are part of Al Queda or not.
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[AFK]

Just a reminder from Jeff Shartlet:

http://www.democracynow.org/2009/5/6/the_crusade_for_a_christian_military

"Well, after about a year of interviewing military personnel, this was, in some ways, the most frightening story that I encountered. A man named Staff Sergeant Jeffery Humphrey, one of the very few soldiers who, in this military climate, had the courage to come forward and speak out about what he had seen, he had been stationed in Samarra. It was Easter. The day began calmly. A chaplain brought around a copy of Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic film 'Passion of the Christ,' which they then put on constant play throughout the day.

"When they came under attack, the Special Forces, Army Special Forces to whom he was assigned, had their Iraqi translator, an Iraqi American Christian, paint in giant red Arabic letters on the side of a Bradley fighting vehicle the words 'Jesus killed Mohammed.' Then, while they put the translator on the roof with a bullhorn, shouting in Arabic, 'Jesus killed Mohammed,' and then training their guns, training American guns on anybody who responded, the Bradley fighting vehicle rolled out into the city of Samarra and drawing fire everywhere it went, leading the Special Forces to conclude that every single Iraqi who took offense at these words, 'Jesus killed Mohammed,' was part of the enemy and therefore needed to be destroyed.

"And I spoke to the man who drove that Bradley, Lieutenant John DeGiulio, now Captain John DeGiulio, promoted since. And he describes wreaking almost biblical destruction on one whole block, blowing up every single thing he saw. And he said he was able to do this, because God was on his side and because he had been spiritually armored by watching Mel Gibson's 'Passion of the Christ'. And then he thanked his chaplain for preparing him for that kind of spiritual battle on the streets of Iraq."

Woo hoo!  Go America!