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[The Good Reverend Roger]

all humans are irrational

But amusing when they do it in large groups.   

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

all humans are irrational

Wait, are you calling me a human?! 

[Cain]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

This.  When Memnoch at MW started quoting NPR, I stopped taking it seriously.

[Cain]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

Depends.  Most US commentators with legal expertise say it's not, and I would agree with the conclusion, if not with the reasoning behind it (their reasoning is that soldiers cannot be victims of terrorism because they're soldiers, my viewpoint is that they're not victims of terrorism because they were the intended targets - there was no third target who the shooter was trying to intimidate by killing the soldiers).

IMO, soldiers not on front line duty can be victims of terrorism as much as anyone else, if the attack is done with intent to threaten a third party.

[Cain]

So, during the Oklahoma City Bombing, did anyone suddenly consider that the Christians were attacking the country?

As I recall, Fox News blamed Arabs.

Charlie Gibson still believes the Iraqi intelligence services were behind it (there is a less crazy version of this conspiracy theory, but it is not very interesting).

[Cain]

I was listening to NPR today while returning from my collecting trip

On certain well known liberal blogs, NPR has been referred to as "even liberal NPR" for about two years now, due to to its willingness to treat nutjob talking points from the far-right with the same merit as more nuanced and considered positions.

This.  When Memnoch at MW started quoting NPR, I stopped taking it seriously.

I still remember when he quoted Michelle Malkin.  That was seriously funny.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

slap me if someone already said this- but isn't it NOT terrorism if it's against our military?
it has to be against civilians, right?

Depends.  Most US commentators with legal expertise say it's not, and I would agree with the conclusion, if not with the reasoning behind it (their reasoning is that soldiers cannot be victims of terrorism because they're soldiers, my viewpoint is that they're not victims of terrorism because they were the intended targets - there was no third target who the shooter was trying to intimidate by killing the soldiers).

IMO, soldiers not on front line duty can be victims of terrorism as much as anyone else, if the attack is done with intent to threaten a third party.

THIS.

I don't think we'll know until Hasan tells people why he did what he did. If he just decided to kill people, its not terrorism... but if he was trying to influence the stance on Afghanistan/Iraq or if he was hoping to scare people from joining the military or if he was hoping to scare the average American because "OMGZ IT COULD HAPPEN RIGHT HERE!!!" then it might be terrorism.

[Cain]

The evidence leans towards it being more an incident of mass murder than anything else, at the moment (the psychology of a mass murderer does differ significantly from that of a terrorist, despite terrorism often involving mass murder, so the distinction is a valid one).

I'd like to know exactly who he targeted, and his relationships with them.  That would provide a ton of insight into his motivations.  Also the events of that day and the day before would be necessary.  And the level of planning, too. 

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

It is the military people.  You can't have crazy people in the military.  They have all those tests and such to make sure there aren't any crazy people in the military.  Hell they have a special discharge for crazy people.   

So now, they've let a crazy person in....  and worse...... OMG..... gotten caught with their psychological pants down...

OH NOES what excuse can we come up with for his insane act?  Oh yes...... He's a terrorist.....  Then everyone gets all scared and shit.

This fucking idiot went postal for whatever reason.  Only you can't call it that when you are the one who gave him the fucking gun!

[Cain]

You can't have crazy people in the military.

Has anyone told the military this?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It is the military people.  You can't have crazy people in the military.  They have all those tests and such to make sure there aren't any crazy people in the military.  Hell they have a special discharge for crazy people.   

So now, they've let a crazy person in....  and worse...... OMG..... gotten caught with their psychological pants down...

OH NOES what excuse can we come up with for his insane act?  Oh yes...... He's a terrorist.....  Then everyone gets all scared and shit.

This fucking idiot went postal for whatever reason.  Only you can't call it that when you are the one who gave him the fucking gun!

I don't think those were military issue guns...

but the point remains, he could just be a guy gone postal and the military is trying to pass it off as terrorism. I hadn't considered that angle yet.

[fomenter]

It is the military people.  You can't have crazy people in the military.  They have all those tests and such to make sure there aren't any crazy people in the military.  Hell they have a special discharge for crazy people.   

So now, they've let a crazy person in....  and worse...... OMG..... gotten caught with their psychological pants down...

OH NOES what excuse can we come up with for his insane act?  Oh yes...... He's a terrorist.....  Then everyone gets all scared and shit.

This fucking idiot went postal for whatever reason.  Only you can't call it that when you are the one who gave him the fucking gun!

i think he was a psychiatrist, the crazy person in charge of helping the army deal with solders going crazy went crazy   

[Elder Iptuous]

I don't think those were military issue guns...

No. he used an FN 5.7, which i saw described in one news article as "a favorite of the Mexican Drug Cartels", and in another as, "a favorite of SWAT teams", and in yet another as a "Cop Killer" gun.....  
It's also a favorite of harmless mall ninjas.  I use mine for killing paper.

he also used a S&W .357 revolver, but that's not as dramatic...

[fomenter]

  i heard some of those descriptions as well, i hate when they do that