Suu's typical rant on how you should properly tip your waitstaff.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Or, go to Tim Hortons and put your spare change in the donation box for needy kids.  That's what I do. 

I donate to cancer research every time I buy groceries... therefore I should stop tipping in restaurants? Hey Suu, that makes sense, doesn't it? 

Where did I say anything about not tipping at restaurants?  My comparison is between Tim Hortons and Starbucks.  Not Tim Hortons and Chilis. 

And I'm saying that one has fuck all to do with the other.

RIght, me throwing in some change to the charity box at Tim Horton's has fuck all to do with whether or not I tip at Chilis. 

So why even bring it up as an argument against tipping? Some places don't have a tip jar. SO WHAT?

It wasn't an argument.  It was a comment on my behavior that you turned into an argument. 

Oh, well then I completely misunderstood your point. Sorry.

[LMNO]

Now who's playing with semantics?

Are you saying they DON'T qualify as tipped employees? Or that Starbucks is the only place that baristas work? Because you seem to be implying that because Starbucks pays regular minimum wage, all places do.

And this is still just sort of a bullshit distraction from the real topic, anyway. Which is that you should tip people who provide you a service. Valets, porters, and hotel maids make minimum wage... are you against tipping them?

Now, I'm not arguing that the minimum wage is high enough for someone to support themselves, nor am I arguing that it's not a good idea to tip the barrista.

Man, I had that bolded in the original post and everything, to avoid what you just did.


LAWL, etc.

[Suu]

Maybe her opinion on tipping is different since she lives in a state that knows how to pay people?

Or maybe we should start a pention?

Or 

Either way, knock it off. Or I'm dropping you kids off at the border.

[LMNO]

Yes, mom...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.

It's the Canadian spawning ground.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Now who's playing with semantics?

Are you saying they DON'T qualify as tipped employees? Or that Starbucks is the only place that baristas work? Because you seem to be implying that because Starbucks pays regular minimum wage, all places do.

And this is still just sort of a bullshit distraction from the real topic, anyway. Which is that you should tip people who provide you a service. Valets, porters, and hotel maids make minimum wage... are you against tipping them?

Now, I'm not arguing that the minimum wage is high enough for someone to support themselves, nor am I arguing that it's not a good idea to tip the barrista.

Man, I had that bolded in the original post and everything, to avoid what you just did.


LAWL, etc.

OK, so you're not arguing against tipping baristas? How interesting to put a disclaimer like that in there, and then proceed to build an argument against tipping baristas.

Besides the fact that servers minimum is a moot point where I am, I have a nit to pick with your original premise.

The main argument for tipping well at bars and restaraunts is because those people are getting something like $2.00 an hour, instead of the $7.00 or so which is standard.  Those servers are desperately counting on tips just to bring their wages up to the national average.

You have this backward. The main argument for not paying servers minimum wage was that servers get tips.

[Thurnez Isa]

always thought 15% was the standard... at least that is what my grandparents told me...
which use to work out when the tax here was 15%, but they dropped the GST and screwed up my tipping strategy


now I just sit at home and cry *











*actually I don't. Up here they have this add tip button on the interact machines, so you don't even have to think anymore.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

You have this backward. The main argument for not paying servers minimum wage was that servers get tips.

That, in itself, is a horrible notion.

"Someone is doing better than hand to mouth survival!  FIX THAT SHIT!"

Also, this quibbling over semantics back and forth is exactly the sort of shit that's driving everyone to bad acid. 

[AFK]

My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it.  So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.  

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it.  So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.  

I never calculate my tips.  I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.

[LMNO]

OK, so you're not arguing against tipping baristas? How interesting to put a disclaimer like that in there, and then proceed to build an argument against tipping baristas.

um...

What I'm saying is that there is a big difference between not leaving a good tip for your waiter, and not tossing a dollar into the tip jar at Starbucks.

^
My argument.

I have a nit to pick with your original premise.

The main argument for tipping well at bars and restaraunts is because those people are getting something like $2.00 an hour, instead of the $7.00 or so which is standard.  Those servers are desperately counting on tips just to bring their wages up to the national average.

You have this backward. The main argument for not paying servers minimum wage was that servers get tips.

"The main argument" that I was referring to was from people who advocate tipping well at restaraunts because they do not get the standard minimum wage.  

Whether this is because they the people who decided to legislate this expect them to get voluntary tips or not is beside the point.  The point is that many people who do not tip at restaraunts (outside of the 7 already mentioned) seem to be surprised that the servers only make $2.00 an hour.

[AFK]

My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it.  So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.  

I never calculate my tips.  I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.

For me it is mostly to make sure I'm not fucking up the math and screwing them over.  After a long day at work staring at spreadsheets my math can get a little fuzzy. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it.  So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.  

I never calculate my tips.  I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.

For me it is mostly to make sure I'm not fucking up the math and screwing them over.  After a long day at work staring at spreadsheets my math can get a little fuzzy. 

Yeah, I should have said I calculate the minimum (15%), and then add an arbitrary number.

[hooplala]

Incidentally, I don't even know what a Tim Hortons is.

You just made Leonard Cohen cry.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

My shiny new cell phone has a tip calculator on it.  So much easier than working it out on the back of the receipt with crayon.  

I never calculate my tips.  I just arbitrarily come up with a number based on quality of service vs how busy they are, and the number of people at my table.

I just go with 20%. You can figure it out in about 3 seconds in your head. Bill is $34? Ten percent of $34 is $3.40, round up to $3.50 because that makes it easier, double it and you have $7. Or round down and then add a dollar, either works.