Suu's typical rant on how you should properly tip your waitstaff.

[Triple Zero]

I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.

socialism has nothing to do with it, rather getting proper, sensible and honest education on drugs in school (including the stuff RWHN said he would rather not teach in the classroom like"if you're going to do drugs, make sure it's safe by ensuring X and Y blabla")

the fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.

What, are you serious???

How about you provide a citation that it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills 

It's just about the easiest way you can turn casual marihuana use into something fatal.

And, I don't know about the USA, but in NL, driving under the influence of cannabis is punished equally harsh as drunk driving, taking away your license (you may get it back depending on level of intoxication and repeat offenses etc).

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I think it depends on your experiences and what studies you decide to believe. The Anti-Drug groups seem to have lots of examples of how its terrible, others have argued that its not. Both have studies to support their side.

This is a fun video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3zou4F00Ic (oddly this seems exactly like my personal experiences)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1999/03/990325110700.htm  <-- Not a factor say the Canucks

http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/misc/driving/driving.htm  <---- THE SKY IS FALLING


In reality, I've driven when I was a little stoned, but not ever when I felt blitzed. Sorta like I'll drive after 1 beer or 1 shot, but not if I actually drank any alcohol of substance.

I think that either of those drugs in small amounts may be fine... which is why we have a Blood Alcohol level, rather than 0 tolerance.

[Cramulus]

I hate to admit it, but the only car accident I've ever been in was while driving stoned.

I was sport of spaced out and looking at this park with kids playing and didn't notice the guy in front of me slowed waaaay down. I blame myself, but also the joint 10 min before getting in the car.


So I don't do THAT anymore.

[East Coast Hustle]

I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.

socialism has nothing to do with it, rather getting proper, sensible and honest education on drugs in school (including the stuff RWHN said he would rather not teach in the classroom like"if you're going to do drugs, make sure it's safe by ensuring X and Y blabla")

the fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.

What, are you serious???

How about you provide a citation that it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills 

It's just about the easiest way you can turn casual marihuana use into something fatal.

And, I don't know about the USA, but in NL, driving under the influence of cannabis is punished equally harsh as drunk driving, taking away your license (you may get it back depending on level of intoxication and repeat offenses etc).

you want me to prove a negative?



you should know better.

also, there is currently no possible way to determine "level of intoxication" when it comes to THC so I'd like to know how your legal system decided that.

[AFK]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances? 

[East Coast Hustle]

sometimes I have places to be.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances? 

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

[Cramulus]

sometimes I have places to be.

[fomenter]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances? 

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

i disagree, back in the "stone-age" it was customary for the dealer to pack one with his customers not the other way round, some traditions shouldn't be changed   

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances? 

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

i disagree, back in the "stone-age" it was customary for the dealer to pack one with his customers not the other way round, some traditions shouldn't be changed   

[East Coast Hustle]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances?  

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

If you bought your bag from an actual dealer then no, you don't need to pack one for him. However, if you bought it from a friend who knows the dealer or is just buying an ounce and selling 8ths to get his smoke for free then it's a nice gesture.

[fomenter]

TITCPSM

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances?  

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

If you bought your bag from an actual dealer then no, you don't need to pack one for him. However, if you bought it from a friend who knows the dealer or is just buying an ounce and selling 8ths to get his smoke for free then it's a nice gesture.

THIS

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It would be fine and dandy if whether or not driving stoned or buzzed impacted only said person's life and their life only.  When it has the potential to impact (literally) the lives of other, then, in my blunt and honest opinion, it's fucked up.  Why take chances?  

So then you're fine with people getting stoned as long as they don't drive or operate heavy machinery? That seems reasonable to me.

Of course, that brings up the question... should you tip your dealer? (To keep this from thread drift).

My answer is Yes, you should pack a bowl out of the bag you bought and smoke him or her up.

If you bought your bag from an actual dealer then no, you don't need to pack one for him. However, if you bought it from a friend who knows the dealer or is just buying an ounce and selling 8ths to get his smoke for free then it's a nice gesture.

Oh I don't think you *have* to... but I generally do it, I get some of the most interesting stories sitting around a dope house smoking down with some half crazy hippie. Or half crazy ex-military depending on which dealer I'm visiting.

[Triple Zero]

I'd expect that sort of response from a socialist. you probably use public transit as well.

socialism has nothing to do with it, rather getting proper, sensible and honest education on drugs in school (including the stuff RWHN said he would rather not teach in the classroom like"if you're going to do drugs, make sure it's safe by ensuring X and Y blabla")

the fact remains that your reaction-speed is negatively affected and you are less capable of judging traffic situations, just like with alcohol.

What, are you serious???

How about you provide a citation that it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills 

It's just about the easiest way you can turn casual marihuana use into something fatal.

And, I don't know about the USA, but in NL, driving under the influence of cannabis is punished equally harsh as drunk driving, taking away your license (you may get it back depending on level of intoxication and repeat offenses etc).

you want me to prove a negative?



you should know better.

No, try reading harder:

"you provide a citation that [says] it doesn't impair cognitive and psychomotor skills  "

Means I'm implying that just about any random article you'd care to pick up on the subject of effects of THC will mention cognitive and psychomotor skills impairment. Probably because those are some of the easiest things to scientifically measure (with reaction tests etc).

So instead of providing you with a citation which you no doubt can find with a single google search for "effects of THC on the brain" or whatever, I'm just asking you to provide one citation of an article that says there are no such effects. Which is quite the opposite of proving a negative, it is asking you to DISprove a negative, something which is quite easy.

also, there is currently no possible way to determine "level of intoxication" when it comes to THC so I'd like to know how your legal system decided that.

Yes there fucking is. They use saliva:
http://www.trouw.nl/nieuws/nederland/article1914934.ece/Drugs_in_het_verkeer__te_lijf_met_speekseltest_.html

since you seem to be veeeeeery intent to believe what you set out on believing anyway, I doubt it is worth my while to find a translation, but this was my first google hit for "breath test THC" (in Dutch). It talks about how the Dutch police are using this thing near coffeeshops to catch people driving stoned.