They forgot about Punk Rock Thornis.

[Richter]

Really, just follow me on this for a bit.

They lived it, they grew up with it, and as soon as elmer's glue mowhawks and safety pins were forgotten, they were happy to lay down and be normal.  Maybe it was having kids, and wanting to be safe and simple until they could understand the cynical humor, satire, and black comedy behind it all.
Hell, I wouldn't let me listen to "Johnny hit and run Pauline", until I was 18 EITHER.  Some of these Juggalo worthy retards would take it as a SUGGESTION for fucksake.
It was NOT Peter Paul and Mary.  Like the vindaloo that no one else in the house can stand, that made it worthwhile.  Not an entrance exam, more like a litmus test.

Do you see this?
Are you angry too?
Don't you feel like you want to FUCKING STOMP on someone (thing), but still wish to act at least marginally cerebral or intelligent in the process?

Now they'll hand out Good Charlotte like candy, and it'll bear about the same nutritional content. 

LMNO said it, "The Sex Pistols did it better".  I think I'll use it to replace "That's what she said" in my daily use.  It'll be worth it if someone clues in.

[President Television]

Yeah, I see it, and I do want to stomp the shit outta something. That's why I'm here, isn't it?

[Thurnez Isa]

Natural way of things

Idea --- Fad ---- Commercialization (idea lost) ---- becomes parody of itself ---- rejuvenation, or irrelevancy   

Ideas don't survive in the long run cause humans tend to get scared easily and go back to reliving the parts that made them feel good about themselves

[Dimocritus]

Now they'll hand out Good Charlotte like candy, and it'll bear about the same nutritional content. 

This is 

[LMNO]

Hell, I wouldn't let me listen to "Johnny hit and run Pauline", until I was 18 EITHER.  Some of these Juggalo worthy retards would take it as a SUGGESTION for fucksake.

1) Most eXcellent name-dropping.

2) This is a sad truth.  You know what's sadder?  They stopped playing it at shows, for precisely that reason.

[Richter]

Hell, I wouldn't let me listen to "Johnny hit and run Pauline", until I was 18 EITHER.  Some of these Juggalo worthy retards would take it as a SUGGESTION for fucksake.

1) Most eXcellent name-dropping.

2) This is a sad truth.  You know what's sadder?  They stopped playing it at shows, for precisely that reason.

1 - Thankya.  I don't think I'm horribly well versed in it, but some of the modern excuses for it grate on my nerves.

2 - Yeah.  Just yeah.   

[Z³]

Natural way of things

Idea --- Fad ---- Commercialization (idea lost) ---- becomes parody of itself ---- rejuvenation, or irrelevancy   

Ideas don't survive in the long run cause humans tend to get scared easily and go back to reliving the parts that made them feel good about themselves

Well, this is kind of true. I've always disliked the 'Punk is Dead' agenda, or teh 'Punk Aint What It Used to Be' spiel that you'll get from the old timers who don't believe that anything after 1986 ever happened. Anyway, the point is that when punk first hit it was something that really had an impact, over the years it had several transformations...

it went from the US to the UK and back again.
It went to japan, where it would ferment for a long time. This is almost its own movement in its on right.
It helped develop post punk, and first generation hardcore...
We had street punk, Oi, Rockabilly/Psychobilly (the skinhead retirementplan), crust punk, and pop punk

hardcore is still in its third generation, and crust punk is still around... but it also splintered and converged with the metal scene giving us the powerviolence blow up of the 90's (now all that shit is just Grindcore, no distinction). If anything, the music scene is weirder and more diverse than its ever been... as long as you don't believe the record companies or buy what they're trying to sell you.

[LMNO]

Semantics time:


"Punk" did not start out as a musical genre, unless you can consider Talking Heads, Television, Ramones, The Heartbreakers, and The Stranglers as single genre.

"Punk" started out as an attitude, a visceral response to what was perceived as a failing culture. 

As soon as it became a label for a certain type of music (Sex Pistols type of blunt anger), it became subject to the whims of the aestehtic market.

So sure: Good Charlotte can call itself "punk rock music".  But they will never "be" punks.

[Z³]

Fair enough. I'm hardly going to call Good Charlotte punk, in anyway.
I think that the attitude still exists, and its still something I look for in music.

[Thurnez Isa]

no idea what your talking about since i know diddly squat about punk or metal, but if you move out of what is generated for consumption then your obviously going to find something since your no longer in the mainstream and your what would be before the first step. A sort of experimental step.
You can say that about any genre, for example horror movies generally suck now days, but if you go out of the mainstream your going to find something good and a LOT of crap, you could say the same about modern ballet... but your outside what is generally developed for consumption. Until something from outside the mainstream becomes mainstream, then the process repeats itself...
Also different countries move at different rates, globalization hasn't homogenized everything.. yet.

Ask me 5 years ago if the internet will help in the rejuvenation of different genres I would have said yes, now I'm becoming more and more skeptical. I shouldn't have been so naive. The internet is basically one large shopping mall, with cafes and places to hang, ect. The process which zombifies and sanitizes physical malls seem to be also taking hold in cyber malls.

Will globalization help with the rejuvenation of different genres? I would say yes to the short term and no to the long term, as eventually the different cultural differences influence themselves. Again refer to horror movies and the influx of J Horror into Western movies. People forget that no only did it become a parody of itself in western movies in Japan (for those who had been following the genre pre Ring remake) but it seem to also sanitize the genre in Japan, with a few notable exceptions. Also for another example compare modern Bollywood with the older stuff and you see the same process at work.

[Z³]

I think the internet has made it easier to distro records, also easier to find and purchase the harder to get underground stuff.
But yeah, its all about what your interested in... you you only care about flavor of the week, thats all you get.

The Jhorror is a good analogy, IMO most of it wasnt good to begin with... except for Shinya Tsukamoto, and Takashi Miike.

[Thurnez Isa]

I think the Rambo series is probably the best analogy and the easiest one to understand
First Blood comes out, defies action convention in its lack of dialogue and lack of music during scenes, the hero breaks down at the end, kills basically no one, the good guys are bad guys, ect. ect. becomes a success
Rambo First Blood 2 is made. Fun movie, but doesn't feel like a sequel to the first movie. It has become commercialized.
Rambo the animated series comes out, doesn't even reference the first movie. It has become homogenized.
Rambo 3 comes out, fun movie in that it just so ridicules. It's become a parody of the first movie
Rambo 4 comes out, titled Rambo. Actually agree with the title since despite some flows this feels more like the first movie. Much better sequel. Series has rejuvenated itself.
Sly has announced there will be a sequel. What will it be like. Expect it to be like the more memorable parts of the the 4th movie, but lacking the atmosphere of the 4th movie.The series will probably commercialize itself again.

As for J horror it was really fun and good during the late 90's cause it was just better then most of the horror movies coming out in the west at that time, kind of like anime to western cartoons at that time. For horror fans who watched it then, like myself, it was the greatest thing around, but for those who are only casual horror fans that came in after the western world heard about it, when it already become sterile and they came with preconcieved notions about the genre. (substiquantely there was a slight rejuvenation of the genre after the west discovered it)
It's one of the reasons I can't really get into anime, even what people say is the really good stuff. Because I didn't watch it before it has became sterile I missed out when it was exciting and new, and I'm not much of a cartoon guy so I tend to stick to what I'm already familiar with from childhood. If cartoons where my thing then for sure I could get into it, just as if loud distorted music was my thing.

Anyways I rambling now... That's what 3 hours in the lab, and a horrible test result will do to you

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Way back when I was just a little girl, punk rock was Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Mosh pits were where you went when you didn't like the present shape of your skull, and you got puncture wounds from sleeping with Punker girls.

This watered down shit they have today is crap (with one or two possible exceptions).  There's no rage to it, just a whimpering commercialism that makes me want to start kicking peoples' kneecaps off.  Hell, the musicians don't even get killed in funny ways, anymore, and that's just not punk rock, ya know?

Can you still hear them, Richter?  Can you still hear The Butthole Surfers puking on stage as part of the lyrics of Lady Sniff?   Can you remember the nihilistic joy of diving into a mosh pit knowing full well what the consequences will be?

They were giants back then, man.  Giants.

Now we have Good Charlotte and Green Day.  Someone kill me.

[LMNO]

Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag. 

RAWR.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag.  Husker Du, The Dead Kennedys, and Black Flag. 

RAWR.

Back in the bad old days, back in the USA.