Student ARRESTED for NOT TIPPING!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Heh.  More like Psychology PhD, but...  Heh.

We will be requiring proof of degrees for all further arguments on PD.  It's the only way to be fair about these things.

Everyone else needs to leave Aneristic Delusions right now, then.

This is a fact.  Bring and Brag is now limited to art and music graduates.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

It was a joke you fucking jackasses.

Seriously though, this is horseshit. The people didn't get service, why should they have to pay a service charge?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Except that the payment or charge in this case is made to the server free and clear, it's just included on the bill, and is such actually part of "tipped wages" as per the link Slanket posted.

A tip is a sum presented by a customer as a gift or gratuity in
recognition of some service performed for him. It is to be distinguished
from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service. Whether a tip is
to be given, and its amount, are matters determined solely by the
customer, and generally he has the right to determine who shall be the
recipient of his gratuity.

I disagree... this says that a tip is presented by the customer, it is different than a service charge and the matter and its amount is determined solely by the customer.

I don't mind the service charge, its usually less than I would tip... but there does seem to be a discrepancy, either its voluntary and determined by the customer, or its a service charge and not a tip... which I would guess should technically get counted in with the $2 an hour or whatever rather than "tips" on taxes.

The Service Charge is assessed by the resturant and paid to the resturant... the the resturant pays the server. I think.

But...


I don't have a law degree  

[Bruno]

As your attorney, I recommend you pay the tip, then take a shit in the bathroom sink.
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[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

It was a joke you fucking jackasses.

Seriously though, this is horseshit. The people didn't get service, why should they have to pay a service charge?

Because we have laws based on general concepts and they don't apply fairly in all cases. Most of the time, this keeps asshole customers from screwing the waitress. Sometimes, it lets asshole waiters screw the customers.

[Suu]

If you think it's unfair and you're a server then why did you agree to it in the first place?

Because no-one else is hiring.

Cain,
gets paid three times as much as Suu, and still doesn't think its fair for the work actually done.

I'm ServSafe, HAACP, and TIPS certified. I know that I could be putting my life on the line every time I plate a rare burger, but I get paid $2.89 an hour.

I have to scrape your nasty dirty plates which could be ridden with God-Knows-What bacteria, and handle dirty ass money, but I get paid $2.89 with NO HEALTH COVERAGE.

I could drop dead if you order extra blue cheese, because if it touches me I can go into anaphylactic shock, but I still do it anyway, and get paid $2.89 an hour whether you want to tip me or not.

I could slip and fall in the kitchen on a small spill and break a bone, and I still get paid $2.89 an hour, and Worker's Comp probably won't cover it.

I have clearance to look up credit card numbers from any charge that we had during the day and trace it back to where you live. I can find you in the blink of an eye if I had to, and because if it, I had to sign a privacy waiver! $2.89 an hour? SURE.

In the meantime, jump on Monster.com and find me a graphic design job in Rhode Island that doesn't require 5-10 years of experience. I guarantee you won't me find one.

I'm lucky to have a fucking job right now, and I have to stay here until something better comes around. I'm upset that Vermont didn't work out, but until Rhode Island pulls it's head out of it's ass, you better tip me, because I can guarantee I will bust my ass for you. I will risk my life and I will get your drinks and I will "Yes sir" the fuck out of you. 

Pay your service charge, or leave 20% if it's not included. You don't want to tip? Eat McDonald's. Cheap ass motherfucker. I'm sick of this bullshit.

Fuck you all. I'm going to work, and I WILL make 22% tonight because I'M FUCKING AWESOME.

FUCK YOU OPRAH.  Cheap ass cunt.

and FUCK YOU to those pieces of shit college kids in Philadelphia. I've made Brown University kids wash dishes before, I'd fucking do it to you too. Asswipes.

[Richter]

This all is why I cook my own food so much.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

As your attorney, I recommend you pay the tip, then take a shit in the bathroom sink.
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OOOOOOOOOOH!! Not enough fiber! Get me some coffee, bran flakes and 20 hits of acid.
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[Suu]

As a matter of law, Suu is correct.

Really Roger? Where'd you go to lawschool?

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.52.htm

A SERVICE CHARGE IS NOT A 'TIP'

It's added to your bill, therefore upon reading the line in the menu that states that 20% gratuity will be added to parties of six or more, you're agreeing to the charge.

So its a language problem... a 20% Service Charge will be added to parties of six or more.

It sounds better to say Gratuity though... the customer won't feel as ganked.

You have to. It's included on your cashout. That's what computers are for.

But according to the Dept of Labor, that is not a tip.... so what is it?

It is to be distinguished from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service.

It's automatically declared for us. I over-declare anyway, but I like tax returns more than I like paychecks. My tips are my pay, the check is just for tax deductions.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

As a matter of law, Suu is correct.

Really Roger? Where'd you go to lawschool?

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.52.htm

A SERVICE CHARGE IS NOT A 'TIP'

It's added to your bill, therefore upon reading the line in the menu that states that 20% gratuity will be added to parties of six or more, you're agreeing to the charge.

So its a language problem... a 20% Service Charge will be added to parties of six or more.

It sounds better to say Gratuity though... the customer won't feel as ganked.

You have to. It's included on your cashout. That's what computers are for.

But according to the Dept of Labor, that is not a tip.... so what is it?

It is to be distinguished from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service.

It's automatically declared for us. I over-declare anyway, but I like tax returns more than I like paychecks. My tips are my pay, the check is just for tax deductions.

So do they generally declare it as tips or wages?

[Suu]

Now you all fucking went and made me angry. Goddamnit. I better call the chef and give him a heads up, so when I start throwing things he's ready for it this time.

As a matter of law, Suu is correct.

Really Roger? Where'd you go to lawschool?

http://www.dol.gov/dol/allcfr/ESA/Title_29/Part_531/29CFR531.52.htm

A SERVICE CHARGE IS NOT A 'TIP'

It's added to your bill, therefore upon reading the line in the menu that states that 20% gratuity will be added to parties of six or more, you're agreeing to the charge.

So its a language problem... a 20% Service Charge will be added to parties of six or more.

It sounds better to say Gratuity though... the customer won't feel as ganked.

You have to. It's included on your cashout. That's what computers are for.

But according to the Dept of Labor, that is not a tip.... so what is it?

It is to be distinguished from payment of a charge, if any, made for the service.

It's automatically declared for us. I over-declare anyway, but I like tax returns more than I like paychecks. My tips are my pay, the check is just for tax deductions.

So do they generally declare it as tips or wages?

Tips.

[LMNO]

If you worked in Boston, I would eat there, and over tip you.

[LMNO]

Also, because I'm me, I have to also say, "I'd give you more than just the tip..."



Sorry about that.




LMNO
-you really think he's sorry?

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

If you think it's unfair and you're a server then why did you agree to it in the first place?

Because no-one else is hiring.

Cain,
gets paid three times as much as Suu, and still doesn't think its fair for the work actually done.

I'm ServSafe, HAACP, and TIPS certified. I know that I could be putting my life on the line every time I plate a rare burger, but I get paid $2.89 an hour.

I have to scrape your nasty dirty plates which could be ridden with God-Knows-What bacteria, and handle dirty ass money, but I get paid $2.89 with NO HEALTH COVERAGE.

I could drop dead if you order extra blue cheese, because if it touches me I can go into anaphylactic shock, but I still do it anyway, and get paid $2.89 an hour whether you want to tip me or not.

I could slip and fall in the kitchen on a small spill and break a bone, and I still get paid $2.89 an hour, and Worker's Comp probably won't cover it.

I have clearance to look up credit card numbers from any charge that we had during the day and trace it back to where you live. I can find you in the blink of an eye if I had to, and because if it, I had to sign a privacy waiver! $2.89 an hour? SURE.

In the meantime, jump on Monster.com and find me a graphic design job in Rhode Island that doesn't require 5-10 years of experience. I guarantee you won't me find one.

I'm lucky to have a fucking job right now, and I have to stay here until something better comes around. I'm upset that Vermont didn't work out, but until Rhode Island pulls it's head out of it's ass, you better tip me, because I can guarantee I will bust my ass for you. I will risk my life and I will get your drinks and I will "Yes sir" the fuck out of you. 

Pay your service charge, or leave 20% if it's not included. You don't want to tip? Eat McDonald's. Cheap ass motherfucker. I'm sick of this bullshit.

Fuck you all. I'm going to work, and I WILL make 22% tonight because I'M FUCKING AWESOME.

FUCK YOU OPRAH.  Cheap ass cunt.

and FUCK YOU to those pieces of shit college kids in Philadelphia. I've made Brown University kids wash dishes before, I'd fucking do it to you too. Asswipes.

Design jobs are hard to find to begin with, it's even worse now with print tanking and a recession going on. You can always learn a new trade, that's what I had to do. There are other jobs out there that aren't design or food service. You might not get them, but it can't hurt to apply for them. You could also start applying for jobs at restaurants that cheapskates don't usually go to.

[Z³]

It's a service charge. It's mandatory in my restaurant for parties of 6 or more, because large parties, especially college students, will stiff you all the time.

I don't expect you to tip me over the gratuity charge, and when you do it's nice, but for the love of god, please see rant!

Well, then they should be plain and call it a service charge... no gratitude involved

Calling it a gratuity or tip makes people think its based on the service quality of the staff, instead of a "you have no choice, no matter how shitty the waiter was" service charge.

In this case, what you call it is a matter of semantics. I guarantee that any place which has an automatic gratuity will list it, and its terms, on the menu in plain sight. This is a common practice.