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A reasonable and proportional use of force

Started by Cain, November 22, 2009, 04:43:24 PM

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Cain

I'm sure this was totally necessary:

http://www.4029tv.com/news/21638427/detail.html

QuoteOzark police said they were called to a home where a mother asked for help with her unruly child, but the 10-year-old's father said he's outraged at the force police used against his daughter.

"I would like to say Ozark police Tased this little girl right here. Ten years old and [they] shot electricity through her body, and I want to know how the heck in God's green earth can they get away with this," said the girl's father, Anthony Medlock.

Medlock said his daughter was at her mother's house when Ozark police Officer Dustin Bradshaw shocked her in the back with a Taser and arrested her.

"If you can't pick the kid up and take her to your car, handcuff her, then I don't think you need to be an officer," Medlock said.

Medlock said his daughter does show signs of having emotional issues, but she "doesn't deserve to be treated like a dog. She's not a tiger."

According to a police report, the officer was called to the home by the mother and witnessed the child kicking and screaming.

The officer's statement said the girl's mother, Kelly Hamlert, told him to use a Taser on her if he needed to.

The officer did shock the girl after he said she kicked him in the groin.

"He had no other choice. He had to get the child under control," said Ozark police Chief Jim Noggle.

Noggle said the officer shocked the girl for about a second.

Ozark police said it is their policy to use a Taser on someone who is a threat to others, no matter their age.

Noggle said simply restraining the child could be harmful.

"Well, if he tried to restrain her, he might hurt her by restraining her. If you grab somebody, you can slip an arm out of joint. They can slip from you and fall on the ground," Noggle said.

"I don't know what kind of policy it is. I don't think it's right," Medlock said.

Medlock said this is not the first time the girl's mother has called police to take her daughter to a juvenile facility. He said he will now try to get custody of his daughter.

"She just wants somebody to love her, and I do," he said.

40/29 News checked with several other police agencies about their taser policies. The Fort Smith Police Department said it will only uses a Taser on a person 14 years old or older if they are a threat to someone.

Fort Smith Police said it's usually the discretion of each police department to make their own policies on using a Taser.

Noggle said no action is being taken against the Ozark officer who used the Taser on the girl, and he said her case will go before the juvenile court system.

Naturally, the socialism on display here disgusts me.  She should buy her own tazer and electrocute her daughter herself, and not rely on the Nanny State to do everything for her.

Reginald Ret

Quote from: Cain on November 22, 2009, 04:43:24 PM
I'm sure this was totally necessary:

http://www.4029tv.com/news/21638427/detail.html

QuoteOzark police said they were called to a home where a mother asked for help with her unruly child, but the 10-year-old's father said he's outraged at the force police used against his daughter.

"I would like to say Ozark police Tased this little girl right here. Ten years old and [they] shot electricity through her body, and I want to know how the heck in God's green earth can they get away with this," said the girl's father, Anthony Medlock.

Medlock said his daughter was at her mother's house when Ozark police Officer Dustin Bradshaw shocked her in the back with a Taser and arrested her.

"If you can't pick the kid up and take her to your car, handcuff her, then I don't think you need to be an officer," Medlock said.

Medlock said his daughter does show signs of having emotional issues, but she "doesn't deserve to be treated like a dog. She's not a tiger."

According to a police report, the officer was called to the home by the mother and witnessed the child kicking and screaming.

The officer's statement said the girl's mother, Kelly Hamlert, told him to use a Taser on her if he needed to.

The officer did shock the girl after he said she kicked him in the groin.

"He had no other choice. He had to get the child under control," said Ozark police Chief Jim Noggle.

Noggle said the officer shocked the girl for about a second.

Ozark police said it is their policy to use a Taser on someone who is a threat to others, no matter their age.

Noggle said simply restraining the child could be harmful.

"Well, if he tried to restrain her, he might hurt her by restraining her. If you grab somebody, you can slip an arm out of joint. They can slip from you and fall on the ground," Noggle said.

"I don't know what kind of policy it is. I don't think it's right," Medlock said.

Medlock said this is not the first time the girl's mother has called police to take her daughter to a juvenile facility. He said he will now try to get custody of his daughter.

"She just wants somebody to love her, and I do," he said.

40/29 News checked with several other police agencies about their taser policies. The Fort Smith Police Department said it will only uses a Taser on a person 14 years old or older if they are a threat to someone.

Fort Smith Police said it's usually the discretion of each police department to make their own policies on using a Taser.

Noggle said no action is being taken against the Ozark officer who used the Taser on the girl, and he said her case will go before the juvenile court system.

Naturally, the socialism on display here disgusts me.  She should buy her own tazer and electrocute her daughter herself, and not rely on the Nanny State to do everything for her.

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Sir Squid Diddimus

For real? You have to have the cops come out and help discipline your kid?
I've never even had to use the "don't make me call santa claus" shit.

Learn to parent.

Also tazing a kid is just stupid. Seriously. Unless that 10 yr old is like six foot and two fifty, there's no need. Man up.

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Quote from: Squid on November 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM
For real? You have to have the cops come out and help discipline your kid?
I've never even had to use the "don't make me call santa claus" shit.

Learn to parent.

Also tazing a kid is just stupid. Seriously. Unless that 10 yr old is like six foot and two fifty, there's no need. Man up.

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Richter

...and we're making it easier and safer so they can.

Cain:  :lulz:

I'm no policeman, and no badass, but restraining a small child without major risk or injury is possible.  If they're on the ground kicking and screaming, then they're just done difficult part of it for you.

EMT's for a mental health emergency may have been a more apt call, (still doesn't excuse the parents for being unable to deal with a tantrum though).  Unless this kid is armed and harming themselves or others, I don't see why an officer was sent. 
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Elder Iptuous

3/4 of children deserve it....

from just the first page google results of 'police taser child'.....

a six year old and 12 year old (separate incidents):
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,138488,00.html

an 11 year old boy:
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/10424467/detail.html

a 10 year old girl:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34014497/ns/us_news-life/


From:
http://www.mahalo.com/tasered-children
Quote#
Tasers, non-lethal electroshock weapons used to subdue potentially dangerous subjects, are currently in use by an estimated 11,000 law enforcement agencies in 44 countries but increasing reports of Taser use on children, some as young as six years old, are seen as a cause for concern for some parents and organizations.

The regulations surrounding Taser use vary among states and countries, but many have not banned their use on children despite warnings that an electrical shock of such magnitude could trigger a heart attack in youngsters, which was evidenced when a 14-year-old Chicago boy went into cardiac arrest after being Tasered in 2005. Taser International maintains that the device is safe to use on anyone who weighs over 60 pounds.

Tasers work by firing two small electrodes, which deliver 50,000 volts from up to 21 feet away. The resulting shock is meant to stun and incapacitate the recipient, but not cause any permanent damage.
#
Fast Facts:

   1. The United States does not consider Tasers to be firearms
   2. The United Nations has deemed Taser use a form of torture
   3. Amnesty International alleges that Taser use is "inhumane"
   4. The Taser was invented by Jack Cover in 1969
   5. According to Amnesty International, Tasers have been responsible for 220 deaths in America from 2001-2007

Cramulus

the cops are taught that the taser is a humane way of restraining. I guess that checks out if their usual protocol is to grind the person's face into the cement with their jackboots.


My buddy is a cop and tased a 70 year old man the other week.

"WHY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH ARE YOU TASING THE ELDERLY?" I asked, flabbergasted

"I didn't want to hurt him!" he said. "If I had to wrestle him into handcuffs I probably would have broken his arm!"


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Richter

I want a taser now.  For NO good reason, and a few good ones.  Better get 2, so I have a spare. 
Quote from: Eater of Clowns on May 22, 2015, 03:00:53 AM
Anyone ever think about how Richter inhabits the same reality as you and just scream and scream and scream, but in a good way?   :lulz:

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Quote from: The Good Reverend Roger on November 23, 2009, 02:18:03 PM
Quote from: Squid on November 22, 2009, 05:45:35 PM


Learn to parent.


Stupid people breed.

QFT

And what happened to letting a child just go threw the tantrum and chill out on their own? Stuff like this pisses me off, more so due to the fact that tax payer money got wasted because a parent couldn't discipline nor handle they're own kid.

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Cainad (dec.)

Why the hell did the cops even waste their time with this? Are they in such a safe area that using police time and resources to restrain a 10 year old isn't considered criminally wasteful?


Wait...


We now officially live in a world where parents call the cops on their own children to discipline them. :lulz: :lulz: I can't stop the screaming laughter!

LMNO

I'd just like to remind everyone that the article said that the mother requested the cops to use the taser "if they needed to."


There really is no stronger bond than between a mother and her children, is there?

The Good Reverend Roger

Quote from: LMNO on November 23, 2009, 04:25:51 PM
I'd just like to remind everyone that the article said that the mother requested the cops to use the taser "if they needed to."


There really is no stronger bond than between a mother and her children, is there?

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+10 internets to anyone that digs up the police reports on these incidents.