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Started by Richter, December 08, 2009, 02:58:36 PM

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#180
Quote from: vexati0n on August 01, 2010, 08:41:11 AM
"myriad of X" - Myriad already means "a large quantity of." Don't add another of. It makes you look you were home-schooled in Kansas.

"myriad X" and "myriad of X" are both correct.  Myriad is both a noun (meaning a collection of 10,000 [or other large number] things) and a cardinal adjective.  So you can have a myriad of soldiers in the same way you can have a division of them or a flock of birds.

Quote from: vexati0n on August 01, 2010, 08:41:11 AM
"use to/suppose to" - No, moron. That doesn't make any sense. It's "used to."
"would/could/should of" - Fuck you. Die. Don't you even think about what you're saying or writing?

The "d" and "t" sounds in English differ only by whether your throat is vibrating when you make the noise.  Because of this, when people say phrases like "used to" and "supposed to" it comes out like [eu] [ss] [d/t] [oo].  The -ed and t- just blend together, and there's no reason to write the same sound down twice when you only say it once.

"f" and "v" differ in the same way.  And "have" is often abbreviated as [schwa] [v/f] or just [v/f] in speech - compare I've, you've, etc.  "Of", of course, is always pronounced [schwa] [v/f].  So in practice, people would pronounce "should have" "should've" and "should of" in exactly the same way.  "Should've" is obviously not a proper word (despite following the same convention as I've, etc) so people just use "should of" instead.
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tyrannosaurus vex

#181
I'm talking about written words, mostly. Yes, they sound the same. That isn't the point. "Should of" makes no sense, grammatically or logically. It is "Should have." Failing to recognize that is one's writing is hard evidence of indefensible ignorance. Likewise, "Use to" is brainless crap that stems from an inability to comprehend basic elements of the English language and the fundamental origins of what you're saying, and therefore exposes a writer's utter lack of value as a human being.

Basically, if you cannot conjugate a verb, you should be buried alive in a tub of itching powder.

As for "myriad," you might be right but it still feels wrong.

[edit: fix grammar error. shut up.]
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Dysfunctional Cunt

Ima

It is driving me nuts, my kids start so many sentences with Ima...

"Ima gonna do that when I finish beating my brother type of bullshit."

GRRRRRRRRR  :argh!:

BadBeast

Since the written word was primarily invented as a vehicle to convey the spoken word, isn't it a bit pedantic and disproportionately purist to expect it to follow it's own rules? Surely the written word should follow the grammatical rules of the speaker's vocal style?

For instance, this sentence, when read back phonetically, in Liverpool, perfectly conveys the speakers wish to purchase a certain article, in a larger size, but regrets that his funds were insufficient to cover the cost.

"Iwah gunna gerra bigga one, burra neva hadda nuff cash on me"

So it's actually more accurate to write like that, rather than to follow Vexation's morbidly obsessive pedantism, and insistance upon formal written structure and syntax. Ima gonna shut up now.
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NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

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Dysfunctional Cunt

Quote from: BadBeast on August 17, 2010, 09:34:13 PM
Since the written word was primarily invented as a vehicle to convey the spoken word, isn't it a bit pedantic and disproportionately purist to expect it to follow it's own rules? Surely the written word should follow the grammatical rules of the speaker's vocal style?

For instance, this sentence, when read back phonetically, in Liverpool, perfectly conveys the speakers wish to purchase a certain article, in a larger size, but regrets that his funds were insufficient to cover the cost.

"Iwah gunna gerra bigga one, burra neva hadda nuff cash on me"

So it's actually more accurate to write like that, rather than to follow Vexation's morbidly obsessive pedantism, and insistance upon formal written structure and syntax. Ima gonna shut up now.



So funny. 

Ima gonna smack you now!


BadBeast

Ima gonna scally off den, before yez chin me. L8rs.
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Dysfunctional Cunt


Cramulus

web + seminar =
WEBINAR

:vom:


if you want to run a demonstration on the web, you don't need a new portmanteau. You need to go fuck yourself.

BadBeast

Quote from: Cramulus on August 17, 2010, 09:53:22 PM
web + seminar =
WEBINAR

:vom:


if you want to run a demonstration on the web, you don't need a new portmanteau. You need to go fuck yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vv_XrLjy7to

"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

tyrannosaurus vex

Quote from: BadBeast on August 17, 2010, 09:34:13 PM
Since the written word was primarily invented as a vehicle to convey the spoken word, isn't it a bit pedantic and disproportionately purist to expect it to follow it's own rules? Surely the written word should follow the grammatical rules of the speaker's vocal style?

For instance, this sentence, when read back phonetically, in Liverpool, perfectly conveys the speakers wish to purchase a certain article, in a larger size, but regrets that his funds were insufficient to cover the cost.

"Iwah gunna gerra bigga one, burra neva hadda nuff cash on me"

So it's actually more accurate to write like that, rather than to follow Vexation's morbidly obsessive pedantism, and insistance upon formal written structure and syntax. Ima gonna shut up now.

Yes, let's all just speak our own dialects and spell things however we want to because it helps us feel like special unique butterflies/snowflakes/whatever. Let's also replace all the I's in the English language with J's, while we're at it.
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Payne

Quote from: vexati0n on August 17, 2010, 10:46:51 PM
Quote from: BadBeast on August 17, 2010, 09:34:13 PM
Since the written word was primarily invented as a vehicle to convey the spoken word, isn't it a bit pedantic and disproportionately purist to expect it to follow it's own rules? Surely the written word should follow the grammatical rules of the speaker's vocal style?

For instance, this sentence, when read back phonetically, in Liverpool, perfectly conveys the speakers wish to purchase a certain article, in a larger size, but regrets that his funds were insufficient to cover the cost.

"Iwah gunna gerra bigga one, burra neva hadda nuff cash on me"

So it's actually more accurate to write like that, rather than to follow Vexation's morbidly obsessive pedantism, and insistance upon formal written structure and syntax. Ima gonna shut up now.

Yes, let's all just speak our own dialects and spell things however we want to because it helps us feel like special unique butterflies/snowflakes/whatever. Let's also replace all the I's in the English language with J's, while we're at it.

:lulz:

For what it's worth, I agree with both of you to some extent.

The rules of communication in English are useful (and maybe even necessary) to ensure that communication is standard and understandable over various kinds of cultural difficulties.

But if I want to write in Scots vernacular, for example, to reinforce whatever it is I am communicating, I will. There is more colour and life in it.

Xooxe

Quote from: vexati0n on August 01, 2010, 08:41:11 AM"would/could/should of" - Fuck you. Die. Don't you even think about what you're saying or writing?

The one that gets me is "that [adjective] of a [noun]". I don't even know if it's actually incorrect, but it makes people sound like they're twelve.

Quote from: Cramulus on August 17, 2010, 09:53:22 PMyou don't need a new portmanteau.

Why do you hate portable man gateau?

Juana

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on August 17, 2010, 04:26:45 PM
Quote from: BluTakDuck on August 02, 2010, 06:11:06 AM
Moist LipWig sounds like some sort of victorian hip hop star.

MC Moist LipWig.



Moist von Lipwig

Just gonna leave this here.
And yet I love that character.


More + a verb ending with -er
HAAAAAATE.
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Jenne

The "Ima" usage is part of what's known as "fast speech phenomenon."  I'm sure many an ESL learner has scratched their heads hearing Americans (and Canadians?) say,

"I'munna go to the store."

The "gonna" that we usually put on the verb go ends up being transferred, because of the proximity of /m/ to /n/ in how they are pronounced in the mouth, so I'm becomes "I'munna"...which leaves you with "I'munna go."

As to the statement of "speaking our own dialects however we want," it doesn't usually work that way.  You have to have a cohort of speakers who commonly use these constructs, and then they are transferred and used amongst the cohort, and they can spread to other cohorts.

As for writing, formalized writing will have its rules and whatnot, but transferring spoken discourse to the written is always subject to some sort of "tweaking."  The spelling errors of dropping the unvoiced -ed at the end of words like "supposed" was already explained above--the brain doesn't recognize what it already knows about the verb due to how it's "smooshed together" when you're saying it.

Freeky

The following combination of seemingly harmless words throws me into a fit of rage.

Duck
Confit
Taco


FUCK YUO DUCK CCONFIT TACO!! GAODDMIT YOU SHOULD NT EXIST