"Stupid wingnut says something stupid" thread

[Cain]

It is kinda hilarious he thinks he and his friends merit that kind of personal attention from Obama.

On the other hand, it's not like the Feds didn't just raid a bunch of antiwar activists on the basis of them being "complicit in terrorism" just the other week.  And the Feds can and frequently do act entirely of their own accord...

[Bruno]

It is kinda hilarious he thinks he and his friends merit that kind of personal attention from Obama.

On the other hand, it's not like the Feds didn't just raid a bunch of antiwar activists on the basis of them being "complicit in terrorism" just the other week.  And the Feds can and frequently do act entirely of their own accord...

Whaaaaat?

Link?

[Cain]

It is kinda hilarious he thinks he and his friends merit that kind of personal attention from Obama.

On the other hand, it's not like the Feds didn't just raid a bunch of antiwar activists on the basis of them being "complicit in terrorism" just the other week.  And the Feds can and frequently do act entirely of their own accord...

Whaaaaat?

Link?

http://washingtonindependent.com/98646/anti-war-activists-homes-searched-in-terrorism-raid

The Associated Press is reporting that the FBI is searching the homes of anti-war activists during terrorism raids:

    The home of Minneapolis anti-war activists Mick Kelly and Jess Sundin were among those searched, they told the AP.

    "The FBI is harassing anti-war organizers and leaders, folks who opposed U.S. intervention in the Middle East and Latin America," Kelly said before agents confiscated his cell phone.

    Sundin called the suggestion they were connected with terrorism "pretty hilarious and ridiculous."

Sundin was "a principal leader of the mass antiwar march of 10,000 on the opening day of the Republican National Convention two years ago," and Kelly has said he would march on the Democratic National Convention if it were held in Minneapolis this year, according to the Minneapolis Star-Tribune.

As I wrote earlier this week, fusion centers have a habit of targeting domestic activist groups as terrorist organizations. During the 2008 protests against the RNC in St. Paul, a Minnesota fusion center played a role in coordinating law enforcement's response to activists, for instance. The FBI is being tight-lipped about why it conducted the raids and what it was looking for, but it doesn't take a huge stretch of the imagination to guess that information gathered in 2008 could have some connection to today's action.

[Bruno]

Thanks.

[Iason Ouabache]

Personal attacks generally don't work unless they're seen as fair, credible and pertinent. Voters must think the character shortcomings are both persistent and relevant. If not, the assaults will fail, even backfire.

The Democrats' reliance on this strategy may rescue a few otherwise lost campaigns. But it will further besmirch the reputations of the Democratic Party and its leader, Mr. Obama. The man who complained on the night of his election about the "pettiness and immaturity that has poisoned our politics for so long" is complicit as candidate after candidate in his party adds arsenic to the nation's political well.

Said by... Karl Rove.

[Remington]

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims.



1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.


2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

   If you end where you began, you got nowhere.
Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

[moar]

The cognitive dissonance is amazing  

[Adios]

Jesus fucking christ.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqdQY-4nxlI

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims.



1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.


2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

   If you end where you began, you got nowhere.
Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

[moar]

The cognitive dissonance is amazing  

Im still not sure if Jack Chick is trolling or not.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims.



1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.


2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

   If you end where you began, you got nowhere.
Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

[moar]

The cognitive dissonance is amazing  

Im still not sure if Jack Chick is trolling or not.

Aside from the cognitive dissonance, it also means that the Sumerians were right, since they're going with the appeal to (older) authority fallacy.

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims.



1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.


2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

   If you end where you began, you got nowhere.
Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

[moar]

The cognitive dissonance is amazing  

Im still not sure if Jack Chick is trolling or not.

Aside from the cognitive dissonance, it also means that the Sumerians were right, since they're going with the appeal to (older) authority fallacy.

No, because in the Jack Chick version of history, Christianity was first because it started with Adam.

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims.



1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.


2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

   If you end where you began, you got nowhere.
Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

[moar]

The cognitive dissonance is amazing  

Im still not sure if Jack Chick is trolling or not.

Aside from the cognitive dissonance, it also means that the Sumerians were right, since they're going with the appeal to (older) authority fallacy.

No, because in the Jack Chick version of history, Christianity was first because it started with Adam.

Wouldnt Judaism be first?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

http://www.chick.com/information/religions/islam/fallacies.asp

Christians must be prepared to answer the typical objections made against the Gospel. Most of the objections are based on simple logical fallacies. The following is a list of some of the most common fallacies used by Muslims.



1. The Fallacy of False Assumptions: In logic as well as in law, "historical precedent" means that the burden of proof rests on those who set forth new theories and not on those whose ideas have already been verified. The old tests the new. The already established authority judges any new claims to authority.

Since Islam came along many centuries after Christianity, Islam has the burden of proof and not Christianity. The Bible tests and judges the Qur'an. When the Bible and The Qur'an contradict each other, the Bible must logically be given first place as the older authority. The Qur'an is in error until it proves itself.


2. Arguing in a circle: If you have already assumed in your premise what you are going to state in your conclusion, then you have ended where you began and proven nothing.

   If you end where you began, you got nowhere.
Examples:
#1 Proving Allah by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Allah.
#2 Proving Muhammad by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Muhammad.
#3 Proving Islam by the Qur'an and then proving the Qur'an by Islam.

[moar]

The cognitive dissonance is amazing  

Im still not sure if Jack Chick is trolling or not.

Aside from the cognitive dissonance, it also means that the Sumerians were right, since they're going with the appeal to (older) authority fallacy.

No, because in the Jack Chick version of history, Christianity was first because it started with Adam.

Wouldnt Judaism be first?

No way! Jesus obviously came first!  

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/12/04/sherri-shepherd-doesnt-ge_n_75292.html

[Jenne]

Ah, Jack Chick.  I used to have a lot of those tracts.  They were sorta fascinating to me as a kid.  They were somehow a bit dirty to me like cartoon porn for Xtians.  *shrug*

Yeah, anything from Jack Chick is just so extremist and patent bullshit--I rarely found anyone in my church who took them seriously.  And we were pretty much really for real Christians, etc.  The most seriously I saw them taken was for this seminar I took on how to proselytize.

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

Victoria Jackson on Hannity

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oF_JdL0iIQw

All this time, I thought that dingbat character she played on SNL was just an act.  I watched the linked video for almost a minute before I realized she wasn't in character but was actually serious.