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Started by Captain Utopia, December 09, 2009, 11:53:09 PM

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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#15
December 10, 2009, 07:03:30 PM
Quote from: Squid on December 10, 2009, 06:49:31 AM
Wait. They couldn't fine real black people?? WHA?? I don't get it!!  :x


Also:

:lulz:

He is supposed to be black with soot!
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#16
December 10, 2009, 07:24:14 PM
I think Squid is referring to the black-faced jesters flanking Santa in Lysergic's post. 
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Mesozoic Mister Nigel

#17
December 10, 2009, 08:23:15 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on December 10, 2009, 07:24:14 PM
I think Squid is referring to the black-faced jesters flanking Santa in Lysergic's post.  

So was I... that is supposed to be Sinterklaas' soot-covered sidekick, Zwarte Piet. I just forgot to delete her pic.
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Triple Zero

#18
December 10, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
Yep those are Zwarte Piet. The face paint is part of the costume, I guess they'd even put black face paint on black people dressing up as zwarte piet. While the costume/makeup historically seems to be based on old racist "blackface" characters, another (more recent and official) explanation is "black with soot", and it's just what Zwarte Piet looks like, it's tradition and old legends and fairytales aren't always pretty. TBH, when I was a kid I never really associated Zwarte Piet with anything racial. I mean, after all, their faces are pure black, and I knew human skin colours can only go to a very dark brown.

And if you think this is somehow wrong or tasteless, then that's probably because you're not Dutch.
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#19
December 10, 2009, 08:33:00 PM
Well, with that context it makes more sense.  Though, shouldn't the rest of them be black with soot too?  Are they wearing magic teflon clothes? 
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#20
December 10, 2009, 08:45:41 PM
Well, actually I have no idea what the nuns are doing in that picture. They're not part of the traditional thingy at all, I suppose they must be there for some entirely unrelated reason or something.

And Sinterklaas himself has no soot because he's probably all magical and holy and shit, also he doesn't really go down the chimneys but rides over the roofs on his white horse.
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#21
December 10, 2009, 09:08:05 PM
No, no, no.  I'm talking about the two jester-looking cats who have "soot" all over their face.  Why are their gloves gleaming white?  Why are their clothes soot-free?  What's up?  Seriously, your custom seems to have some continuity issues.  I demand answers!!!!
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#22
December 10, 2009, 09:10:28 PM
I agree their gloves are kind of un-soot-able, now that you mention it ...
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#23
December 10, 2009, 09:11:52 PM
OFUK, did I walk into that one.   :argh!:
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#24
December 10, 2009, 09:17:15 PM
Quote from: Triple Zero on December 10, 2009, 08:29:36 PM
Yep those are Zwarte Piet. The face paint is part of the costume, I guess they'd even put black face paint on black people dressing up as zwarte piet. While the costume/makeup historically seems to be based on old racist "blackface" characters, another (more recent and official) explanation is "black with soot", and it's just what Zwarte Piet looks like, it's tradition and old legends and fairytales aren't always pretty. TBH, when I was a kid I never really associated Zwarte Piet with anything racial. I mean, after all, their faces are pure black, and I knew human skin colours can only go to a very dark brown.

And if you think this is somehow wrong or tasteless, then that's probably because you're not Dutch.


Dude, it's racist.  Let's not mince around.

Minstel shows were tradition too... until people realized that they were, y'know, racist.
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Triple Zero

#25
December 10, 2009, 09:51:55 PM
I thought minstrels were the same thing as bards?

Either way, they do this thing where he arrives with his steamboat and his zwarte pieten in every medium to large town in the Netherlands, it's a real big thing and all the kids are crazy about it like the USA kids are crazy about Santa and Christmas, so Americans can say it's racist, but the show isn't going anywhere soon.
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#26
December 10, 2009, 09:55:06 PM
Oh, I'm not saying that it's going to be going anywhere anytime soon, or even that it necessarily offends me, I'm just pointing out that it is indeed racist.  In any country.
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"Now's not the time to get silly, so wear your big boots and jump on the garbage clowns." — Bob Dylan?

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(I am large, I contain multitudes.)" — Walt Whitman

Triple Zero

#27
December 10, 2009, 09:59:10 PM
Well yeah, I did admit that the part of the outfit that is based on the blackface character is racist, right?

I mean, other parts are from that Krampus character, zwarte piet also punishes bad children, Krampus is in fact actually black like soot, and both have that bunch of sticks (see pic of Krampus in the other thread) to beat the children with.

So, it's a lot more than just racist :-P

But then, try reading the Grimm Brothers fairytales :lol:
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#28
December 10, 2009, 10:02:24 PM
Well, I definitely approve of sticks to beat children with.
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#29
December 11, 2009, 04:38:12 AM
Krampus will definitely be a part of christmas in my family. If I've got to bullshit my kids about a red fat man that brings them gifts for no good fucking reason, then, by god, I will bullshit them into terror as well.
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