A rant : Magic (possibly Spirituality to)

[Hangshai]

thanks GA.  I didnt really make the connection that even though I am made of atoms, and QP is used to describe the way those atoms do their thing, it doesnt apply the organism as a whole.  I guess thats what is trying to be unified? why atoms move that way, but it doesnt really apply to the object as mass or a group of atoms, pretty fucking weird.  Im still learning about all this stuff. its pretty tough to slog through.  Usually I have to go back and read it or watch the docs a couple times, I never really catch it all the on the first go.

[Golden Applesauce]

Here's an easy way to think of it:

A lot of the bizarro stuff of QP stems from the fact that uncertainty in position times uncertainty in momentum is greater than a small constant.  Uncertainty is measured in absolute terms - it's not +/- a few percentage points, it's +/- a few nanometers.  Which means that it doesn't scale - knowing that an electron is within a nanometer of there describes a small cloud of where the electron could be.  Knowing where a person is to within a nanometer is an impressive feat of measurement in and of itself.  The uncertainty due to quantum is negligible because it's less the the uncertainty of our instruments anyway.  Being able to be in two places at once on the precondition that both places must be within a nanometer of each other is a very, very lame superpower.  Also remember that the other component of the uncertainty is momentum, which is mass times velocity.  For a very massive body (compared to an electron; if you stuck 20 zeroes on the end of the mass of an electron, it still wouldn't be a gram of mass, so what we consider to be "normal" is incredibly massive relative to an electron - even a proton is 2000 times the mass of an electron), even a tiny tiny tiny uncertainty in velocity, once multiplied by mass, is big enough that you can get by with an even tinier uncertainty in position as well.  So we can know the position and velocity of a person to more accuracy than anybody would ever need without getting close to the quantum limit.

That was all mostly wrong, but if it helps anyone avoid scams, then go for it.

[Golden Applesauce]

Oh, and what's trying to be unified with QP is relativity, not molecular physics.  In QP, time and space are two different things; in relativity, going fast enough makes things shorter and take longer, "converting" distance into time.  Schrödinger's equation snaps in half if time and space are interchangeable in the slightest.  Also, in QP, a black hole can't collapse to a point because that would be like knowing the precise position of something; the way gravity works in relativity requires this to happen.  The problem is that both theories have all kinds of firm experimental evidence backing them up, but they're mutually exclusive.  So scientists know something is wrong with either or both (probably both) but they don't know what.

[Triple Zero]

A lot of the bizarro stuff of QP stems from the fact that uncertainty in position times uncertainty in momentum is greater than a small constant.  Uncertainty is measured in absolute terms - it's not +/- a few percentage points, it's +/- a few nanometers.  Which means that it doesn't scale - knowing that an electron is within a nanometer of there describes a small cloud of where the electron could be.  Knowing where a person is to within a nanometer is an impressive feat of measurement in and of itself.  The uncertainty due to quantum is negligible because it's less the the uncertainty of our instruments anyway.  Being able to be in two places at once on the precondition that both places must be within a nanometer of each other is a very, very lame superpower.  Also remember that the other component of the uncertainty is momentum, which is mass times velocity.  For a very massive body (compared to an electron; if you stuck 20 zeroes on the end of the mass of an electron, it still wouldn't be a gram of mass, so what we consider to be "normal" is incredibly massive relative to an electron - even a proton is 2000 times the mass of an electron), even a tiny tiny tiny uncertainty in velocity, once multiplied by mass, is big enough that you can get by with an even tinier uncertainty in position as well.  So we can know the position and velocity of a person to more accuracy than anybody would ever need without getting close to the quantum limit.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is why we have seasons.

Fuck axial tilt.

Fuck evolution.

We should teach our kids QUANTUM in our schools!

[NotPublished]

This thread pains me   

[The Johnny]

This thread pains me   

You brought it on yourself !

[LMNO]

If you find most explanations about Quantum Mechanics tl;dr then read this:


When things get really, really small, weird shit starts happening.  But only when things are small.  That kind of weird shit doesn't happen to anything large enough for us to experience.


EOT.

[East Coast Hustle]

my limited understanding of quantum physics leads me to believe that quantum effects are neither observable nor reproduceable on a macro scale, so anything that someone does and explains to you as being somehow "quantum-based" is patently bullshit.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

If you find most explanations about Quantum Mechanics tl;dr then read this:


When things get really, really small, weird shit starts happening.  But only when things are small.  That kind of weird shit doesn't happen to anything large enough for us to experience.


EOT.

Oh, yeah?  Come to Tucson for 2 weeks and tell me that again.

[Triple Zero]

Quantum is just a theory, we should teach our kids TUCSON in schools!

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Quantum is just a theory, we should teach our kids TUCSON in schools!

Tucson is an alternate, equally valid theory.

There's no sense letting the secular humanist "science" community run around unchallenged.

[Triple Zero]

Fascinating ... so let's say you put a cat in a box, in Tucson, what happens when you stop observing it?

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Fascinating ... so let's say you put a cat in a box, in Tucson, what happens when you stop observing it?

It explodes and kills dozens of passers-by.  Witnesses are aghast at the sheer quantity of blood.

[LMNO]

But only if it was a non-local cat.

[P3nT4gR4m]

Here's an easy way to think of it:

A lot of the bizarro stuff of QP stems from the fact that uncertainty in position times uncertainty in momentum is greater than a small constant.  Uncertainty is measured in absolute terms - it's not +/- a few percentage points, it's +/- a few nanometers.  Which means that it doesn't scale - knowing that an electron is within a nanometer of there describes a small cloud of where the electron could be.  Knowing where a person is to within a nanometer is an impressive feat of measurement in and of itself.  The uncertainty due to quantum is negligible because it's less the the uncertainty of our instruments anyway.  Being able to be in two places at once on the precondition that both places must be within a nanometer of each other is a very, very lame superpower.  Also remember that the other component of the uncertainty is momentum, which is mass times velocity.  For a very massive body (compared to an electron; if you stuck 20 zeroes on the end of the mass of an electron, it still wouldn't be a gram of mass, so what we consider to be "normal" is incredibly massive relative to an electron - even a proton is 2000 times the mass of an electron), even a tiny tiny tiny uncertainty in velocity, once multiplied by mass, is big enough that you can get by with an even tinier uncertainty in position as well.  So we can know the position and velocity of a person to more accuracy than anybody would ever need without getting close to the quantum limit.

That was all mostly wrong, but if it helps anyone avoid scams, then go for it.

For some reason this whole notion just caused me to laugh so hard I shit myself out loud.

I'm picturing "Captain Quantum" and he's kinda like "The Tick" but without the antennae and dressed in pink 

So anyway - this uncertainty thing, it's more to do with the fact that we can't actually tell it's precise location rather than it has more than one?