Pot/drugs: An all-encompassing explanation.

[Doktor Howl]

The man said not to expect more that one line insults not that he wouldn't post insults that were more than one line.

well i realize that, but at that point i had to keep stirring the pot, right¿

No, you didn't.

Yes, he did.

It's all the fucked up little monkey has.

[Doktor Howl]

ditchweed¿
if im smoking ditchweed, INSERT MORE BORING DRUG BRAGGADOCCIO HERE BLAH BLAH BLAH

Heyyyyyyyy...nobody cares.

[tokinGLX]

ditchweed¿
if im smoking ditchweed, INSERT MORE BORING DRUG BRAGGADOCCIO HERE BLAH BLAH BLAH

Heyyyyyyyy...nobody cares.

oh, i figured you must care, being that you were quite specific with your reverse-braggadoccio
i mean, by all means, make fun of me, but at least do your own integrity some justice and make fun of me for valid reasons.  otherwise you just come off as foolish.

[Doktor Howl]

oh, i figured you must care, <insert other random, nonsensical jabbering>

That's because you're all fucked up on drugs, like the useless drone you are.   

[Telarus]

What LMNO and Roger said pretty much cover the range of what you get out of cannabis. It's a tool, like any other, and if you get too reliant on it it will fuck you over, like any other. It takes discipline to get the really interesting experiences. Just smoking it (in any amount, even heavily, even until you pass out) will not do it and you'll definitely not get anything out of any altered state while just sitting on the couch vegging on television except slightly saturated funpleasure. It has to do with how the body metabolizes the chemical and how much the lungs can hand off to the bloodstream. I know how to achieve optimal dosage for Chapel Perilous style jaunts, but you probably wouldn't believe me, and I don't recommend them, esp without some kind of grounding discipline like martial arts or yoga or the like. These here be Zenarchist secrets, yo.

I personally use it as a 5th and 6th circuit aid at times. It changes the type of attention I pay to my surroundings. I've fought (bamboo shinai, lacross gear) while blasted, and had some interesting experiences I detailed in the "What is Chi" thread.


Oh, and then there's this:

Cannabis: A Paratheoanametamystichood of Eris Esoteric (POEE) Special Report: Part 00001

Please file this in the Out-House under E. Lost Documents and Forgotten Truths.


RMN: What was it that first sparked your interest in consciousness enhancement?

Robert Anton Wilson: Korzybski's Science and Sanity. I was in engineering school and I picked up the book in the Brooklyn Public Library. He talked about different levels of organization in the brain-animal circuits, human circuits and so on. And he talked a lot about getting back to the non-verbal level and being able to perceive without talking to yourself while you're perceiving.

It was 1957. I was very interested in jazz at that time, and I told a black friend about some of Korzybski's exercises to get to the non-verbal level, and he said, "Oh, I do that every time I smoke pot." I got interested. I said, "Could I buy one of these marijuana cigarettes from you?" He said, "Oh hell, I'11 give it to you free." And so I smoked it.

I found myself looking at a quarter I found in my pocket and realizing I hadn't looked at a quarter in twenty years or so, the way a child looks at a quarter. So I decided marijuana was doing pretty much the same thing Korzybski was trying to do with his training devices. Then shortly after that I heard a lecture by Alan Watts, and I realized that Zen, marijuana and Korzybski were all relating the same transformations of consciousness. That was the beginning.

http://www.futurehi.net/docs/FiringTheCosmicTrigger.html

   Without that connection, Robert Anton Wilson may not have wrote many of his books, and I would probably not be writing this, nor you reading it right now. Who am I? You may call me Episkopos Telarus, KSC (Keeper of the Sacred Chao), Tender to the Edible Zen Garden, Keeper of the Contradictory Cephalopod, which you should think of as an arbitrarily chosen Holy Name of Discordia. Don't know about Eris(Discordia) yet? Well, I didn't set out to write that kind of article, but you can brush up by reading the Principia Discordia, by Malaclypse the Younger (Greg Hill) and Omar Khayyam Ravenhurst (Kerry Thornley) 1. Just realize that that's the tip of a very weird iceberg.

   Having mentioned that, I'll sum up the reasons for writing this article by saying that a soft voice from my Pineal Gland told me to write it. This article does not attempt to lay out all of the esoteric knowledge regarding the Sacred Herb (and really, doesn't attempt to explain all about anything). It simply represents a synthesis of my current research into some form of narrative. Useful for the moment, constantly under revision. Also, keep in mind that research of this type becomes extremely hard to corroborate the further into the rabbit-hole we go.

Here we go.....

   It began about two years ago while I was trolling through www.occultforums.com. I noticed someone scrambling for any magical correspondences through which to work with Cannabis (marijuana/ pot/ hemp/ chara/ etc), and something pulled me to my copy of Aleister Crowley's Liber 777, a brilliant compilation of some of the most confusing magical correspondences ever put to paper. I had recently read that Crowley coded his opinions and research of various mental states (or "astral planes") into Liber 777, along with the substances, archetypes, and techniques he used to attain these states. The key to unlocking this, it seemed, was a good understanding of his numbering system, and lots of time playing connect the dots (I was woefully ignorant of the structure of the Tree of Life at that time). As Crowley explains in the intro to 777, when someone from one culture thinks of (or works with) a specific God (example, Egyptian: Thoth) and one from another culture thinks of another God (Hindu: Hanuman, or Roman: Mercury), he considered these not two different thoughts, but the same thought under different labels (these entities are all listed in line 8 of various tables).

"Well Crowley was such a complicated individual that everybody who reads Crowley has a different Crowley in his head." -Robert Anton Wilson

   I began in the obvious places, the tables entitled XLIII Vegetable Drugs and XXXIX Plants, Real and Imaginary. This generated a working set of numerical "keys" with which to comb through the rest of the book. These keys were (Vegetable Drugs) 2-Hashish, 3-Soma, 7 & 8-Cannabis Indica, 14-All aphrodisiacs, 15-All cerebral excitants, and (Plants, Real & Imaginary) 23. Cannabis Sativa, Lotus, all Water Plants.

2, 3, 7, 8, 14, 15, 23

   Armed with this numerical sigil, and struck by the synchronicities it held (it begins with 23, ends with 23, and has an esoteric 5 in the center, flanked by 15's), I began a very strange trip through esoteric mysticism and history. Many of the columns were frustratingly blank. While I will not reproduce the full table that I generated in this article, these numbers and their entries in 777 inspired much of the material presented here. When obvious references to these "keys" occur in the article I will reference this in parentheses, using (key23), or (key14), for example.

   Now, many people have been researching the esoteric history of Cannabis, and I will draw on many sources for this Report, from Neo-Zoroastrians to Old Skool Discordians, from the Canadian Senate to Sects of Stoned Saddhus, from Zen Tricksters to Sufi Mystics. Let us begin with the Discordians, primarily references in the Principia Discordia. I will warn you against assuming that any or all Discordians you meet smoke Sacrament. As a disorganization, we channel those who partake in this sort of Sacrament into certain esoteric sects, while still embracing those who reject it for various reasons, recognizing that they have found their own Sacrament with the Goddess.

   The first reference in the Principia to Cannabis comes during the Myth of the Apple of Discord, or 'How the Trojan War Began' (pages 00017-00018) in which a footnote reads **There is historic disagreement concerning whether this apple was of metallic gold or acapulco. This seems typical of the Principia Discordia, in that a cryptic reference leads you to (or reveals that you do) know something about an obscure subculture, which suddenly makes the joke that much funnier. Can you imagine that? The three most self-important Greek Goddess fighting over who gets da kine bud as big as an apple, Bogarting the Wedding Gift. And Eris, forced to lurk past the wedding threshold, obviously meant for the bride, Thetis to claim it, but only Goddesses have the nerve to claim to be 'the fairest one' at a wedding.

   The next veiled reference comes on page 00027, a doodle of a cockroach with the caption, "This is St. Gulik. He is the Messenger of the Goddess. A different age from ours called him Hermes (key2, key8). Many people called him by many names. He is a Roach." The reader may be familiar with the term 'roach' in reference to marijuana, but may wonder where this comes from. We can trace the term back to a Spanish marching song popular with rebels and soldiers in the Mexican Revolution of 1910-1920. The most well known lyric goes,

La cucaracha, la cucaracha
Ya no puede caminar
Porque no tiene, porque le falta
Marijuana que fumar.

The cockroach, the cockroach
No longer can he march
Because he doesn't have, because he la-acks
Marijuana to smoke.

   And if I were a Mexican soldier...or rebel, in that situation, that's exactly how I would feel. What? Cannabis makes you a lazy stoner, you say? Oh, we'll get to that brilliant bit of governmental-religious social manipulation later.

   Further on, we find a wood cut of a POEE Brother wearing the 5-fingered hand of Eris and smoking a joint (page 00033). Then on page 00039 we are introduced to the 5 Discordian Apostles, and find out that the 3rd Apostle, Sri Syadasti, Patron of the Season of Confusion is the offspring of "the Squaw Mary-Jane and the Gentle Chief SunFlower Seed, of the Peyotl Indian tribe". The fact that Sri Syadasti's full name 2  is a Sanskrit Koan (thus confusing the two types of "indians") comes to fruition when we read the footnote: "NOTE: Sri Syadasti should not be confused with Blessed St. Gulik the Stoned, who is not the same person but is the same Apostle." This appellation, "the Stoned" anchors the Sri/Gulik connection to the Sacred Herb. Sri Syadasti the Stoned also has a beautiful alliteration.

   Further references are there to be found by the curious seeker, especially where Gulik pops up, but I also feel I should mention Lord Omar's introduction to the 5th Edition. Kerry Thornely begins his introduction to the 5th edition of the Principia Discordia 3,

"If organized religion is the opium of the masses,
then disorganized religion is the marijuana of the lunatic fringe."

   This theme runs through his introduction, with many references to marijuana, and to many of the mystic sects mentioned in this Report. The comparison of organized to disorganized religion also highlights how little the effects of Cannabis resemble the effects of opiates, the numbingly oceanic "security" drugs. Cannabis also proves itself distinct from alcohol and other substances that effect emotional control and blur the lines of primate pack status. Again, it's effects separate itself from the abstract-symbol accelerants, from the "lowly" caffeine and nicotine to the more "extreme" cocaine and methamphetamines. It seems to share traits with some of the psychedelics, such as psylocibin and LSD, but in the doses normally ingested does not cause archetype invoking hallucinations which overwhelm the usual perception of reality.

....................................

Aleister Crowley seemed to be aware of this connection, even if we don't have a Zoroastrian table in Liber 777. In the essay, "The Psychology of Hashish 11 ", Crowley begins each and every section with a quote from Zoroaster. He says of the "Herb Dangerous" in the opening paragraph,

"Of the investigators who have pierced even for a moment the magic veil of its glamour ecstatic many have been appalled, many disappointed. Few have dared to crush in arms of steel this burning daughter of the Jinn; to ravish from her poisonous scarlet lips the kisses of death, to force her serpent-smooth and serpent-stinging body down to some infernal torture-couch, and strike her into spasm as the lightning splits the cloud-wrack, only to read in her infinite sea-green eyes the awful price of her virginity -- black madness."

   At this point, it may be wise to speak of relationships with magical entities. A Discordian by the Holy Name of Siv recently showed rare insight in a conversation I ran across about the demon Choronzon,

I have no doubt that, to you, Choronzon is as real as anyone else. Others may see you as being delusional. But what's important here is not whether or not Choronzon is real, but whether or not your relationship with Choronzon is healthy and functional. From my perspective, you have a highly functional relationship with an entity, Choronzon, in which you have both agreed to perform, for the other, tasks which could not be performed by the other, in exchange for some kind of consideration. You have, by definition, a business partnership. That's really rad.

However we dress up our power, it is still ours, and we are still at the helm. But, because we are limited by whatever limits us individually, acquiring tools and ways to use our limitations more efficiently is, I believe, a potent and ancient method for going beyond our selves. It doesn't matter if it's a way to improve memory by organizing it differently, a mechanical device that helps us build homes faster, or a way of interrupting a habitual behavior to replace it with a new choice. The concept is always one of technology, even if the manifestation is a relationship, tool, or technique.

I've seen a lot of people try to work with entities like Choronzon, but ultimately fail because of their own inability to maintain relationships in general. After a time, they fell back into the same bad habits they'd tried using in every other relationship, and, because entity relationships like yours are largely internal by nature, wound up damaging their own psyche.

That's just a selection from a much larger document of mine in the Floating Republic of Mu's Offshore Archives.

I ended with that section from Siv for a reason.

[Doktor Howl]

Telarus, Toking isn't here to debate, or even have a rational conversation.  He's a very busy guy, you know, with many important things to do (like, well, smoking pot) and a LIFE - unlike us - which, strangely enough, seems to include hundreds of weed forums.

He's here, by his own admission, to "stir shit", just like AKK, Cowass, DK, The Lamanite, and every other "zany" piece of road trash that's blown through here in the past.

[Fuquad]

ditchweed¿
if im smoking ditchweed, INSERT MORE BORING DRUG BRAGGADOCCIO HERE BLAH BLAH BLAH

Heyyyyyyyy...nobody cares.

oh, i figured you must care, being that you were quite specific with your reverse-braggadoccio

I fail to see how being specific with the insult means that he cares about the subject.

i mean, by all means, make fun of me, but at least do your own integrity some justice and make fun of me for valid reasons.  otherwise you just come off as foolish.

The part that he was making fun of you about is the part he calls you brainsmashed. It really doesn't matter what type of weed you're on.

[BabylonHoruv]

didnt really request it either, not sure how you got that out of me saying that i am always up for discussion about it...  

You are a fucking liar.

Eat a dick.

Sheesh, what happened to a calmer less rage filled doktor?

[Doktor Howl]

didnt really request it either, not sure how you got that out of me saying that i am always up for discussion about it...  

You are a fucking liar.

Eat a dick.

Sheesh, what happened to a calmer less rage filled doktor?

Doktor has been without sleep for 33 hours.  Doktor is not very happy about this.

Also, Doktor hates this fucked up little hippie, and wants to say mean things to him, in lieu of watching bad things happen to him, which would be preferable.

[tokinGLX]

The part that he was making fun of you about is the part he calls you brainsmashed. It really doesn't matter what type of weed you're on.

but i dont care if he calls me brainsmashed.  people can call me whatever they like, i take no offense.  
calling my weed ditchweed tho, that is just false information.  i cant even take offense at it, so i offered to inform my aggressor so that future insults can have a factual grounding in something.  

[Telarus]

Telarus, Toking isn't here to debate, or even have a rational conversation.  He's a very busy guy, you know, with many important things to do (like, well, smoking pot) and a LIFE - unlike us - which, strangely enough, seems to include hundreds of weed forums.

He's here, by his own admission, to "stir shit", just like AKK, Cowass, DK, The Lamanite, and every other "zany" piece of road trash that's blown through here in the past.

Well shit, look what happens when the thread leaps 4 pages while I compose a post.



How disappointing. I wonder if disappointment is a common theme surrounding those personality types. 

[Doktor Howl]

The part that he was making fun of you about is the part he calls you brainsmashed. It really doesn't matter what type of weed you're on.

but i dont care if he calls me brainsmashed.  people can call me whatever they like, i take no offense.  
calling my weed ditchweed tho, that is just false information.  i cant even take offense at it, so i offered to inform my aggressor so that future insults can have a factual grounding in something.  

That might be a factor, if anyone cared about you.  But they don't.  So it isn't.

[Doktor Howl]

Telarus, Toking isn't here to debate, or even have a rational conversation.  He's a very busy guy, you know, with many important things to do (like, well, smoking pot) and a LIFE - unlike us - which, strangely enough, seems to include hundreds of weed forums.

He's here, by his own admission, to "stir shit", just like AKK, Cowass, DK, The Lamanite, and every other "zany" piece of road trash that's blown through here in the past.

Well shit, look what happens when the thread leaps 4 pages while I compose a post.



How disappointing. I wonder if disappointment is a common theme surrounding those personality types. 

I don't know for sure, but it looks that way.  He said he wanted a conversation about pot, so I wrote a page about it.  His response was "I CAN'T BE BOTHERED AND THERE WASN'T MUCH TO RESPOND TO ANYWAY", as if HIS posts weren't 3 lines of grammatical errors, poor spelling, and no content whatsoever, beyond feeble little passive-aggressive stabs.

He really is a pathetic piece of human garbage. 

[Fuquad]

The part that he was making fun of you about is the part he calls you brainsmashed. It really doesn't matter what type of weed you're on.

but i dont care if he calls me brainsmashed.  people can call me whatever they like, i take no offense.  
calling my weed ditchweed tho, that is just false information.  i cant even take offense at it, so i offered to inform my aggressor so that future insults can have a factual grounding in something.  

It does have factual grounding. You are brainsmashed. Fact is only you care what the quality of the stuff you are smoking is.

[East Coast Hustle]

HI I AM GOING TO PUT THE WORD "TOKING" IN MY HANDLE AND THEN GET ALL BENT OUT OF SHAPE AND DEFENSIVE WHEN PEOPLE PICK ON ME FOR BEING A STONER.
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