Pot/drugs: An all-encompassing explanation.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Dunno if this has been posted..

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/press_releases/2006/07_11_06.html

HOPKINS SCIENTISTS SHOW HALLUCINOGEN IN MUSHROOMS CREATES UNIVERSAL "MYSTICAL" EXPERIENCE

...

Using unusually rigorous scientific conditions and measures, Johns Hopkins researchers have shown that the active agent in "sacred mushrooms" can induce mystical/spiritual experiences descriptively identical to spontaneous ones people have reported for centuries.

The resulting experiences apparently prompt positive changes in behavior and attitude that last several months, at least.

Saw a presentation on this at Entheogenesis Australia last year, a great conference / gathering that some aussie posters might be interested in.

http://www.entheo.net/

OH SHIT

Actual science proves that hippies are right about something! 

[Mourning Star]

I agree with the original post.

Personally, I do drugs, when I do them, because I enjoy doing drugs.  So I guess that's category 2.


I have, and do still, use certain drugs for their medicinal effect also.  For example, to differing degrees, pot and the meds I am occasional prescribed, both treat my pain.  But the pot I smoke, 99.99999999999999999999% of the reason it's being smoked is for the cheap physical and mental gratification.


But yeah, the "I HAS TEH TELEPATHIES" crowd can eat giant dicks.  I can see the future, it's you joining Mystic Wicks to tell them about your new weed and witchcraft revelation, and they can stroke your sad ass excuse for an ego.

[AFK]

Actual science also proves this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35642202/ns/health-addictions/

Long-term pot use can double risk of psychosis
Young people who smoke marijuana more prone to delusions, study says

LONDON - Young people who smoke cannabis or marijuana for six years or more are twice as likely to have psychotic episodes, hallucinations or delusions than people who have never used the drug, scientists said on Monday.

[LMNO]

Actual science also proves this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35642202/ns/health-addictions/

Long-term pot use can double risk of psychosis
Young people who smoke marijuana more prone to delusions, study says

LONDON - Young people who smoke cannabis or marijuana for six years or more are twice as likely to have psychotic episodes, hallucinations or delusions than people who have never used the drug, scientists said on Monday.

IZ OPENING OF ASSTRAL PLANEZZZ!
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[AFK]

That happens to me when I stand up too fast. 

[Richter]

Actual science also proves this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35642202/ns/health-addictions/

Long-term pot use can double risk of psychosis
Young people who smoke marijuana more prone to delusions, study says

LONDON - Young people who smoke cannabis or marijuana for six years or more are twice as likely to have psychotic episodes, hallucinations or delusions than people who have never used the drug, scientists said on Monday.

IZ OPENING OF ASSTRAL PLANEZZZ!
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Thou shalt not commune with that from Outside.

PURGE THEM ALL.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Actual science also proves this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35642202/ns/health-addictions/

Long-term pot use can double risk of psychosis
Young people who smoke marijuana more prone to delusions, study says

LONDON - Young people who smoke cannabis or marijuana for six years or more are twice as likely to have psychotic episodes, hallucinations or delusions than people who have never used the drug, scientists said on Monday.

I would be interested in reading the actual report... the MSNBC article says things like "people who smoke skunk, a potent form of cannabis" which is either confusion on the reporter's part or some bizarre british slang usage... "Skunk" is just a particular strain of Cannabis, like "Northern Lights", "Acapulco Gold", "Blueberry" etc. I can't imagine that they're claiming that people who are smoking a genetic variant are more likely to have these psychotic episodes, so I'm thinking some error in reporting is likely.

I am also interested in the claim that people who smoke 'skunk' (I'm gonna assume they mean Kine Bud) were at a much higher risk than people that smoke hash. Any form of Marijuana (good weed, ditch weed, midis, etc) will have 'less' THC and CBD's than an equal amount of hash, since hash is processed to remove the unnecessary bits of plant matter.

In which case, perhaps there is something else in the plant besides THC/CBD that's causing this tendency toward psychosis. That could be very interesting. Anyone know where to get the actual study?

Ah nevermind: http://archpsyc.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/2010.6v1?maxtoshow=&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&fulltext=McGrath&searchid=1&FIRSTINDEX=0&resourcetype=HWCIT found it!

[LMNO]

I am incredibly amused that your first instinct is to say "flaw in the study!" rather than, "ok, perhaps constantly hitting neural receptors with THC can cause physical brain change."

[AFK]

Geez Rat, was the font off too?  Who the fuck cares what they call the stuff, the point is about the potency and about the apparent links between prolonged use of pot and events of psychosis. 

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

I am incredibly amused that your first instinct is to say "flaw in the study!" rather than, "ok, perhaps constantly hitting neural receptors with THC can cause physical brain change."

No, I said flaw in the MSNBC report and I would like to read the study. Now that I've read the study I'm not surprised by their conclusions.

And to be clear, the term "Skunk" and "hash" do not appear anywhere in the actual study, nor is there any comment about smoking one over the other increasing risks. So my first thought (that the MSNBC report was screwy) appears to be correct.

The report on the other hand is impressive. It concludesthat

Compared with those who had never used cannabis, young adults who had 6 or more years since first use of cannabis (ie, who commenced use when around 15 years or younger) were twice as likely to develop a nonaffective psychosis and were 4 times as likely to have high scores on the PDI.

As I have stated several times, most kids I know that have started smoking pot end up being very screwed up, particularly those that started at age 15 or so. I am in no way surprised by the conclusion of the study.

(I would have been confused if they claimed that it was only if they smoked "skunk" and not "hash")  

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Geez Rat, was the font off too?  Who the fuck cares what they call the stuff, the point is about the potency and about the apparent links between prolonged use of pot and events of psychosis. 

Sure except the study doesn't appear to say anything about potency. It talks about the prolonged usage (6 years+) of young adults that began smoking around the age of 15. As you and I have agreed in the past, kids on pot == very bad mental issues later in life.

However, the MSNBC comments about 'skunk' and 'hash' don't show up anywhere in the report... so I don't think I'm unjustified in my first comment on the article. It sounded incorrect based on bad usage of terms... compared to the actual report, it appears to be made up wholesale.

Or is it OK to make up the facts if its in the interests of stopping kids from smoking pot?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Correction... apparently the hash/skunk reference is from "a different study" which they don't actually cite...

So I'll have to go look for it as well.

[AFK]

Yes, this is what happens when we read thoroughly. 

And the bullshit comment about making stuff up is much appreciated, jackass! 

[Triple Zero]

twice as likely compared to what, btw?

[Doktor Howl]

Actual science also proves this:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35642202/ns/health-addictions/

Long-term pot use can double risk of psychosis
Young people who smoke marijuana more prone to delusions, study says

LONDON - Young people who smoke cannabis or marijuana for six years or more are twice as likely to have psychotic episodes, hallucinations or delusions than people who have never used the drug, scientists said on Monday.

IZ OPENING OF ASSTRAL PLANEZZZ!
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Thou shalt not commune with that from Outside.

PURGE THEM ALL.

FOR THE EMPEROR!