Tea Party: No longer harmless nutters

[Doktor Howl]

Was joking. Really didn't want to see that. Christ.

Sorry.

It's so hard to tell, these days.  Everyone's a hair-shirt punishment freak, anymore.

[The Wizard]

Sorry.

It's so hard to tell, these days.  Everyone's a hair-shirt punishment freak, anymore.

No problem. I support death penalty, but must admit that thinking about it is way easier than watching. Plus, hanging is a particularly ugly way to go.

[Doktor Howl]

Sorry.

It's so hard to tell, these days.  Everyone's a hair-shirt punishment freak, anymore.

No problem. I support death penalty, but must admit that thinking about it is way easier than watching. Plus, hanging is a particularly ugly way to go.

I don't support the death penalty, because I know how the justice system works.

I can explain it if you like, but remember that it's one of those things you can't un-know.

[The Wizard]

I can explain it if you like, but remember that it's one of those things you can't un-know.

Sure, I might just agree.

[Doktor Howl]

I can explain it if you like, but remember that it's one of those things you can't un-know.

Sure, I might just agree.

1.  Crime happens.

2.  Police get ANOTHER folder on their desk.  While most people think that the polices' job is to protect and serve, it's actually to try to eliminate the folders on their desks.  As such, they typically target either the person who reported the crime, or - no shit - the poorest person involved.  They don't give a shit if you're guilty, they get credit for the arrest.  The conviction is the DA's problem.

3.  Case goes to DA.  DA doesn't give a shit if you did it or not.  If it's big, he'll go for the throat.  If it's small, he'll pass it onto one of the lower ranking DAs for them to practice on.  This has actually happened to me.  I didn't do it, they knew I didn't do it, but they didn't drop it because they had some noobs they needed to break in on an "unimportant" case.  The fact that it cost me 2.5 years of hassles and $13,000 in legal fees to get acquitted meant, of course, jack and shit.

4.  Case goes to a jury of your peers that were too stupid to avoid jury duty, or to separate an accusation from evidence.  50%+ believe that you're guilty because "they don't go around arresting innocent people".  No shit.  Once on Jury duty, one lady sniffed disapprovingly about the "favor we were doing this guy", and how "it's all legal tricks".

5.  See you on death row, Sparkey!

6.  A year after your death, exculpatory evidence shows up.  Whoops.  (See Death Penalty Moratorium, Illinois)

[The Wizard]

Good point. The system's fucked so that's how any form of punishment works. I agree that our justice system is more of a bureaucratic tool than an instrument of justice. But honestly, I support it more for it's ability as a deterrent than it's function as a punishment.

[Doktor Howl]

Good point. The system's fucked so that's how any form of punishment works. I agree that our justice system is more of a bureaucratic tool than an instrument of justice. But honestly, I support it more for it's ability as a deterrent than it's function as a punishment.

The death penalty has never been a deterrent.  Ever.

[Jasper]

More executions, please.

Especially hangings.

Dr. James Semaj
Likes to watch them kick.

Well, here you go:  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657

Is that enough snuff porn?  I'm reasonably certain they kick a bunch.  Not sure, though, because I didn't watch it.

I ended up not watching it because there was a "Meet sexy women in your area!" advertisement, and I killed the tab.  I was scared.

[Doktor Howl]

More executions, please.

Especially hangings.

Dr. James Semaj
Likes to watch them kick.

Well, here you go:  http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=2a0_1185106657

Is that enough snuff porn?  I'm reasonably certain they kick a bunch.  Not sure, though, because I didn't watch it.

I ended up not watching it because there was a "Meet sexy women in your area!" advertisement, and I killed the tab.  I was scared.

That's how they catch teh pron in Iran.

[Jasper]

See though, I've seen videos of worse.  I've seen live animals being slaughtered on tape.  I'm not squeamish.  It's just that, when I saw a sex ad banner above the video, it became way too creepy.

[The Wizard]

The death penalty has never been a deterrent.  Ever.

Maybe, maybe not. Y0u've gotta wonder how many people have rethought doing stupid because they knew it could cost them their life. Though I would rather keep that power out of a governments hands, there's not much use until we've outgrown the damn things.

[Doktor Howl]

See though, I've seen videos of worse.  I've seen live animals being slaughtered on tape.  I'm not squeamish.  It's just that, when I saw a sex ad banner above the video, it became way too creepy.

A slaughterhouse is worse than people being hanged from a crane?

[The Wizard]

See though, I've seen videos of worse.

As have I. Stumbled upon video of guy blowing his brains out. Still, never fun to witness, no matter how much you watch.

[Doktor Howl]

The death penalty has never been a deterrent.  Ever.

Maybe, maybe not. Y0u've gotta wonder how many people have rethought doing stupid because they knew it could cost them their life. Though I would rather keep that power out of a governments hands, there's not much use until we've outgrown the damn things.

Judging from the statistics between when there is a death penalty and when there isn't, there is no deterrent value whatsoever.

[Jasper]

See though, I've seen videos of worse.  I've seen live animals being slaughtered on tape.  I'm not squeamish.  It's just that, when I saw a sex ad banner above the video, it became way too creepy.

A slaughterhouse is worse than people being hanged from a crane?

I didn't even watch it, man.   I don't know how gruesome it got, and I wasn't prepared to learn. 

ETA:  It's a primate reaction to Freudian Eros/Thanatos, maybe.  I just don't like having the scariest bits of humanity all in one place, this forum excepted.