Life in the Age of Dumb, part 5: Nazis never die.

[gnimbley]

Now leave me alone, both of you! I have no intention of being the intellectual martyr for things that I dont believe in.

Gee, and I just got myself a new zen disciple stick thingy.

Damn.

::wanders off to look for Commander 'cause he's always got room for pie::

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Maybe the best option is expatriation, but somehow I think the rabid nationalism that gave rise to the nazi party in germany wont work here, at least not quietly.

I may be missing what you said, but it sounds to me as if you think Americans aren't rabidly nationalistic.

If so, please excuse me while I give you an incredulous look for as long as it takes my mind to stop boggling.

Yes, many americans are rabidly nationalistic, but there is also a lot of counterculture that exists in america. Its not quite so easy to lump americans into one huge group that can all agree, because its quite the opposite.

So give someone else the silly look.

counterculture in america is manufactured adn packaged by the same folk whos brought you the establishment(tm).

This is the correct answer.

I dont believe that.

It's true.  By the time a counter-culture becomes viable, it has been packaged, marketed, and sold by the very same people that brought you the establishment itself.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

To quote from one of my favorite films, M*A*S*H:
"Goddamn army."

I wish this suprised me, but it doesn't. I've loathed the military for awhile now, and this doesn't seem too suprising. Disgusting, repulsive, sickening, inhuman and vile yes. Suprising, nope. Not in the least. How can you expect a bunch of brainwashed killers, people trained to drop fiery death from the sky onto civilians, how can you expect these people to be civil? The whole goddamn army is a goddamn disgusting spectacle. These kiddy molestors are just the ones they've caught. Anyone here who doubts that Iraqi women and young girls have been raped by US soldiers, raise your hand.

The whole military is a sick obscene mess. Nesesarry? I have my doubts, but no matter what you do, soldiers always are always have been and always will be trained killers. Nothing more, and nothing less. Sugarcoat it all you want, but they are trained to put bullets into people and drop fiery death from the heavens. They are thugs.

The Good Reverend was Army (infantry) for 10 years, and never did, or even saw, that kind of shit.  This problem is top-down.

You can just fuck off, stereotype-boi.

Rev Roger,
"Thug".

When was your term?  And did you go through Fort Jackson for boot?  I kind of ask this of everyone I meet who is in the army, as I'm trying to find anyone who had any interaction with my Grandfather.  He was an E-9, was in the army for 27 years, then retired to teach Map Training in Basic at Fort Jackson.  He retired from that in '94 or there abouts.

There were lots of questions I got to ask him before he died, and we talked alot about the things he'd seen and done, and what he thought of the world, but I was 14 and 15, then and I find now that I'm older there are just so many more questions that I want to ask that I will never get the chance to have answers to, no matter how many times I ask his urn.

1987-1996.  No Fort Jackson, though.

[eighteen buddha strike]

Maybe the best option is expatriation, but somehow I think the rabid nationalism that gave rise to the nazi party in germany wont work here, at least not quietly.

I may be missing what you said, but it sounds to me as if you think Americans aren't rabidly nationalistic.

If so, please excuse me while I give you an incredulous look for as long as it takes my mind to stop boggling.

Yes, many americans are rabidly nationalistic, but there is also a lot of counterculture that exists in america. Its not quite so easy to lump americans into one huge group that can all agree, because its quite the opposite.

So give someone else the silly look.

counterculture in america is manufactured adn packaged by the same folk whos brought you the establishment(tm).

This is the correct answer.

I dont believe that.

It's true.  By the time a counter-culture becomes viable, it has been packaged, marketed, and sold by the very same people that brought you the establishment itself.

I agree that counterculture usually loses its merit once its easily identifiable.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Maybe the best option is expatriation, but somehow I think the rabid nationalism that gave rise to the nazi party in germany wont work here, at least not quietly.

I may be missing what you said, but it sounds to me as if you think Americans aren't rabidly nationalistic.

If so, please excuse me while I give you an incredulous look for as long as it takes my mind to stop boggling.

Yes, many americans are rabidly nationalistic, but there is also a lot of counterculture that exists in america. Its not quite so easy to lump americans into one huge group that can all agree, because its quite the opposite.

So give someone else the silly look.

counterculture in america is manufactured adn packaged by the same folk whos brought you the establishment(tm).

This is the correct answer.

I dont believe that.

It's true.  By the time a counter-culture becomes viable, it has been packaged, marketed, and sold by the very same people that brought you the establishment itself.

I agree that counterculture usually loses its merit once its easily identifiable.

And if it isn't easily identifiable, it cannot garner the numbers necessary for it to be effective.

[eighteen buddha strike]

Apathy was on a winning streak for quite some time. Its always seemed to me like a lot of people are aware of the dog and pony show.

[Trollax]

Maybe the best option is expatriation, but somehow I think the rabid nationalism that gave rise to the nazi party in germany wont work here, at least not quietly.

I may be missing what you said, but it sounds to me as if you think Americans aren't rabidly nationalistic.

If so, please excuse me while I give you an incredulous look for as long as it takes my mind to stop boggling.

Yes, many americans are rabidly nationalistic, but there is also a lot of counterculture that exists in america. Its not quite so easy to lump americans into one huge group that can all agree, because its quite the opposite.

So give someone else the silly look.

counterculture in america is manufactured adn packaged by the same folk whos brought you the establishment(tm).

This is the correct answer.

I dont believe that.

It's true.  By the time a counter-culture becomes viable, it has been packaged, marketed, and sold by the very same people that brought you the establishment itself.

I agree that counterculture usually loses its merit once its easily identifiable.

And if it isn't easily identifiable, it cannot garner the numbers necessary for it to be effective.

The very problem with any movement is that it is easily identifiable,  which makes it easy to be usurped, because most people within said organisation are going to be prone to being led. There is not one quality thing I've found in this world that has been easy to locate, most of them I have stumbled over by accident.

[Horab Fibslager]

Maybe the best option is expatriation, but somehow I think the rabid nationalism that gave rise to the nazi party in germany wont work here, at least not quietly.

I may be missing what you said, but it sounds to me as if you think Americans aren't rabidly nationalistic.

If so, please excuse me while I give you an incredulous look for as long as it takes my mind to stop boggling.

Yes, many americans are rabidly nationalistic, but there is also a lot of counterculture that exists in america. Its not quite so easy to lump americans into one huge group that can all agree, because its quite the opposite.

So give someone else the silly look.

counterculture in america is manufactured adn packaged by the same folk whos brought you the establishment(tm).

This is the correct answer.

I dont believe that.

It's true.  By the time a counter-culture becomes viable, it has been packaged, marketed, and sold by the very same people that brought you the establishment itself.

I agree that counterculture usually loses its merit once its easily identifiable.

And if it isn't easily identifiable, it cannot garner the numbers necessary for it to be effective.

The very problem with any movement is that it is easily identifiable,  which makes it easy to be usurped, because most people within said organisation are going to be prone to being led. There is not one quality thing I've found in this world that has been easy to locate, most of them I have stumbled over by accident.

the song of 10000 monekys singing karaoke must be listened for.

[Malaul]

please stop the metaquotes

[gnimbley]

This site is cool

[MescalineBanana]

In response to the main topic of this thread, I have only this to say:


FUCK.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

In response to the main topic of this thread, I have only this to say:


FUCK.

Yeah.

[President Bush]

Seig Heil!

Nat Hentoff on Ghost Prisoners

[Trollax]

This site is cool

Damn straight!

[Irreverend Hugh, KSC]

After being away for so long I came back and read this thread.

First off, about the Abu Ghraib shit: *vomits*

*then looks around for some gelgnite*

Second off, abuses happen when people are in positions of absolute power over others. It happens all over the world. (Not that that is an excuse.) It is not just an American problem. Passing the buck by pigeon-holing it to one national group, or by blanket-and-vapid statements about 'human nature(tm)' do absolutely fuck all.

In my opinion this sort of shit has been symptomatic of human relations for the past five thousand years across the globe. So it is no surprise, even though it is sickening.

As to the counterculture(tm) here: Heh. Okay. Whatever. There are some good people and groups trying to do things differently, but they are virulently attacked by both the counterculture(tm) and the mainstream(tm) if they even achieve a little success.

Disinfo.Com is a good site. So what if Metzger's making money? Would you turn down a job from him, or a publishing offer? The making of money isn't the problem, it's how you treat other human beings. I'll prank the shit out of people. I'll even confuse them towards insanity(tm). But I don't violate anyone.

Damn! If the old military guys in my family were still alive, they would fucking personally shoot everyone responsible for the Abu Ghraib thing...and even though it might not solve the issue of power relationships and abuses for all time, justice(tm) would be served and they would have made me proud, yet again. *sniff*

Shit! I am angry now.

Something is about to be punished.