I am a racist (and so are you).

[Cramulus]

I think that [most but not all] choices made in the bedroom are largely irrelevant to the greater problems of society

The problems with race in our society have more to do with employment, class warfare, that sort of thing. I don't think that interracial unions are necessarily an indicator of an enlightened society, so I don't think that selecting a partner based on aesthetic reasons is racist in the bad sense. It is exactly what kai's talking about, an underlying and unconscious preference for people of "our tribe".

I think it's pushing Political Correctness a bit far to try to impose this kind of societal equitableness on the individual's libido.

I mean, I heard a feminist argument once that it's wrong to be into BDSM because it degrades women and equates femininity with weakness. But unless people are making employment choices in my bedroom, I don't see why I should tangle up morality and my sexuality.

[Freeky]

I wonder if that feminist never heard of Dominatrixes...

[Cramulus]

(the argument is that dommes are embodying masculine modes of power. If a domme uses a strap-on or dresses her boy up like a girl, this is seen as reinforcing the cultural role of the female as submissive. Argument is here )

[BADGE OF HONOR]

Plus there's a strong theme among certain feminists that all sex workers (and that's what a dominatrix is) are victims.

[Elder Iptuous]

(the argument is that dommes are embodying masculine modes of power. If a domme uses a strap-on or dresses her boy up like a girl, this is seen as reinforcing the cultural role of the female as submissive. Argument is here )

There was an interview on NPR a while ago that talked about these issues with an ex dominatrix.
it was interesting.

I've also heard those arguments from feminists.  i questioned about some in the BDSM community that were not into role reversal really.  the man still wanted to be/look like/feel like a man, and the woman likewise, but the woman would be in control of the situation etc.  The response i got was that the man was still embodying female characteristics by being in the weaker position.  when i pointed out that if they felt the only "female characteristic" that the man was taking on was weakness, then that only went to show a sexism in themselves.
they didn't like that.
they also simply refused to see the humor...

[Freeky]

(the argument is that dommes are embodying masculine modes of power. If a domme uses a strap-on or dresses her boy up like a girl, this is seen as reinforcing the cultural role of the female as submissive. Argument is here )

I've not read much of that argument and I already think it's quite ridiculous.

[Faust]

My response to the blog thread :
Domination and submission are beyond gender, and can be between any combination of of people, male and female, male and male, female and female.

The enjoyment of it is being in control, or out of control.
Its really pathetic to see Feminists having a knee jerk reaction when they see a woman in a position that is not of control.
BSDM is an equal opportunities area, and a woman can be in control as much as she can be treated like a dog or fuckslut.


They have comment moderation on, I don't expect that comment to see the light of day.

[Epimetheus]

I ain't no racist.

[Elder Iptuous]

They have comment moderation on, I don't expect that comment to see the light of day.

good comment, nevertheless...

[BabylonHoruv]

I think that [most but not all] choices made in the bedroom are largely irrelevant to the greater problems of society

The problems with race in our society have more to do with employment, class warfare, that sort of thing. I don't think that interracial unions are necessarily an indicator of an enlightened society, so I don't think that selecting a partner based on aesthetic reasons is racist in the bad sense. It is exactly what kai's talking about, an underlying and unconscious preference for people of "our tribe".

I think it's pushing Political Correctness a bit far to try to impose this kind of societal equitableness on the individual's libido.

I mean, I heard a feminist argument once that it's wrong to be into BDSM because it degrades women and equates femininity with weakness. But unless people are making employment choices in my bedroom, I don't see why I should tangle up morality and my sexuality.

Considering BDSM includes Femdom/male sub too I can't see this arguement making any sense.  There are a fair amount of sexists who are into BDSM, but that doesn't mean that a preference for power or pain play includes any sort of sexual or gender stereotypes.

[BabylonHoruv]

Plus there's a strong theme among certain feminists that all sex workers (and that's what a dominatrix is) are victims.

Only a professional dominatrix.  There's plenty who don't do it for pay.

[Kai]

In that case, male prostitutes are also victims.

[BabylonHoruv]

In that case, male prostitutes are also victims.

Generally considered to be true by the same people who consider all the female sex workers to be victims.  Just because they are feminists doesn't mean they don't aknowledge that there are also male victims of the patriarchy

[Kai]

In that case, male prostitutes are also victims.

Generally considered to be true by the same people who consider all the female sex workers to be victims.  Just because they are feminists doesn't mean they don't aknowledge that there are also male victims of the patriarchy

Generally, the radical feminists I've known have been man haters. Thank fuck I don't go that far.

[BabylonHoruv]

In that case, male prostitutes are also victims.

Generally considered to be true by the same people who consider all the female sex workers to be victims.  Just because they are feminists doesn't mean they don't aknowledge that there are also male victims of the patriarchy

Generally, the radical feminists I've known have been man haters. Thank fuck I don't go that far.

I've known some who think all men are rapists.  That doesn't mean no men are rape victims.