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I am a racist (and so are you).

Started by Kai, April 04, 2010, 10:44:20 PM

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BADGE OF HONOR

Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 09, 2010, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 09, 2010, 06:49:50 PM
Plus there's a strong theme among certain feminists that all sex workers (and that's what a dominatrix is) are victims.

Only a professional dominatrix.  There's plenty who don't do it for pay.

A dominatrix is someone who dominates for money.  A dominant woman (or domme if you're a pedantic asshole) is someone who does not do it for money.
The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

BabylonHoruv

Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 10, 2010, 07:00:39 AM
Quote from: BabylonHoruv on April 09, 2010, 10:16:48 PM
Quote from: BADGE OF HONOR on April 09, 2010, 06:49:50 PM
Plus there's a strong theme among certain feminists that all sex workers (and that's what a dominatrix is) are victims.

Only a professional dominatrix.  There's plenty who don't do it for pay.

A dominatrix is someone who dominates for money.  A dominant woman (or domme if you're a pedantic asshole) is someone who does not do it for money.

I've also heard the word domina tossed around, I wouldn't use dominant woman though.  My wife is a dominant woman, she likes being in charge and having people do as she tells them.  That has nothing to do with what she likes in the bedroom.  I also wouldn't call a D/s male top a dominant man, most of a dominatrixes customers are dominant men, they want to not be in charge for a while to blow off steam.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

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-Dok Howl

BADGE OF HONOR

The Jerk On Bike rolled his eyes and tossed the waffle back over his shoulder--before it struck the ground, a stout, disconcertingly monkey-like dog sprang into the air and snatched it, and began to masticate it--literally--for the sound it made was like a homonculus squatting on the floor muttering "masticate masticate masticate".

Brotep

So is it dominatrixes, or dominatrices?

Elder Iptuous

Quote from: Chryselephantine Shavenwolf on April 10, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
So is it dominatrixes, or dominatrices?

Hmm, eigen know.....

(yea, it's a stretch)

BabylonHoruv

Quote from: Chryselephantine Shavenwolf on April 10, 2010, 02:58:31 PM
So is it dominatrixes, or dominatrices?

spelled wrong in my case anyways, since I put a plural when it should have been a possessive.
You're a special case, Babylon.  You are offensive even when you don't post.

Merely by being alive, you make everyone just a little more miserable

-Dok Howl

Faust

From elsewhere, semi tongue in cheek:

Faust: "Racism is a phobia"
Him: "How is it, the average racist doesn't fear his target of hate, rather the opposite, they are usually very antagonistic toward them. "
Faust: "Fear induces a reaction in which a person enters a simple logical choice fight or flight. You hear about the fight reaction all the time because those are the incidents that make it into the newspapers, But every day, even now as you are reading this a chill is running up a persons back because they are talking to a black person and they are going to do their very best to get away from them.
Fear is the catalyst, antagonism is the product.
Both Racism and phobias share the common overlapping area:
A person acts in an illogical manner to a provided stimulus in this case exposure to a person with a dark skin colour. "
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Triple Zero

Irrational fears? Sounds like those bigots should get some RET :)
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Quote from: Faust on April 15, 2010, 01:39:24 AM
From elsewhere, semi tongue in cheek:

Faust: "Racism is a phobia"
Him: "How is it, the average racist doesn't fear his target of hate, rather the opposite, they are usually very antagonistic toward them. "
Faust: "Fear induces a reaction in which a person enters a simple logical choice fight or flight. You hear about the fight reaction all the time because those are the incidents that make it into the newspapers, But every day, even now as you are reading this a chill is running up a persons back because they are talking to a black person and they are going to do their very best to get away from them.
Fear is the catalyst, antagonism is the product.
Both Racism and phobias share the common overlapping area:
A person acts in an illogical manner to a provided stimulus in this case exposure to a person with a dark skin colour. "

That is an excellent assessment, Faust.
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

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BadBeast

But surely, if you are meeting people, in social situations, who are of different races and/or ethnicity, you take into account the cultural differences, or particular value systems peculiar to their race, and this consideration affects the way you interact with them. These different considerations are nothing more than good manners, and a proper adjustment of any preconceptions based on race. If these differences were not observed, then social conventions are more likely to be broken, and offence could be easily be inadvertently caused.
Dok, correctly defines racism as "making decisions based on race", so the above behaviour, while being quite correct, and respectful, is still, by definition, "racism". Which, to me, is quite disturbing. But if this "taking a person's ethnicity into account" is indeed, racism, then Kai is right! (At least in my case) It turns out I am a racist. ! Conditioned PC bullshit now screams at me "OMG, you're a racist! bad bad bad !" and suggests I take a good look at my values, and prejudices. Fuck that, there is nothing wrong with my values, and I feel absolutely no need to change the way I behave. (well, not as far as race is concerned at least)
So thanks a bunch, Kai! This morning when I woke up, I wasn't a racist, but now, it seems I really am, and have been for years. 

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BadBeast

Quote from: BadBeast on April 22, 2010, 02:13:39 PM

So thanks a bunch, Kai! This morning when I woke up, I wasn't a racist, but now, it seems I really am, and have been for years. 



Doesn't mean I have to go out and join the BNP, or the Ku Klux Klan though, does it?
(I fucking hope not, cuz I hate those Honky Motherfuckers!)
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Kai

I've pretty well dismissed the OP as mostly bullshit at this point, so you shouldn't take it seriously.
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Jasper

Yeah, but I stand by my education in social psychology.  The OP is not entirely wrong, but it is wrong in a few  ways.  It's not accurate to frame this as a question of ethical free will, it's just something to watch for in ourselves, because there is a proven innate tendency toward it.

The value of the OP is in underscoring that people need to make an effort to be good people.