This is the sort of idiocy we have to put up with - IRC edition

[Jasper]

But we could be so efficient if we just stopped caring when people die.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Accountability is huge here.  I mean, I work in a jail so it's understandable.  If something goes wrong it could mean an inmate completes suicide or an officer gets assaulted. 

I may be missing something here, but I never quite understood why having a prisoner commit suicide is  big deal. Maybe I'm factoring out the cleanup or something.

WTF is wrong with you.

[Doktor Howl]

I know you do, Dok.

Yes, I do.  After all, you are seemingly advocating that any and all criminals should kill themselves, or that it would at least be no problem if they did.

LOOK AROUND YOU, FUCKWIT.  You can go to jail for damn near anything now.  You can commit a felony and never even KNOW it, let alone have ill intent.  Or you can go to jail for doing something that harms NOBODY.

Your argument is that it would be desirable for a 17 year old caught with a joint to die.

You are a truly worthless excuse for a human being, and I can only thank whatever Gods are out there that you have precisely zero chance to pass your genes on.

[Doktor Howl]

Accountability is huge here.  I mean, I work in a jail so it's understandable.  If something goes wrong it could mean an inmate completes suicide or an officer gets assaulted. 

I may be missing something here, but I never quite understood why having a prisoner commit suicide is  big deal. Maybe I'm factoring out the cleanup or something.

WTF is wrong with you.

He's a fucking sociopath.

[Doktor Howl]

But we could be so efficient if we just stopped caring when people die.

And who wants to live in a world like that?  I mean, besides Enki, and then only til something bad happens to him.

Here's hoping it does.

[Eater of Clowns]

Accountability is huge here.  I mean, I work in a jail so it's understandable.  If something goes wrong it could mean an inmate completes suicide or an officer gets assaulted. 

I may be missing something here, but I never quite understood why having a prisoner commit suicide is  big deal. Maybe I'm factoring out the cleanup or something.

BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT WHAT IS HUMAN EMOTION

 That is fantastic.

Enki, I don't feel any personal sense of loss, nor do I think any of the officers do, when an inmate offs his or herself.  It is pretty disturbing on their parts, perhaps not so much seeing the dead inmate, but more regularly cutting down inmates who are hanging themselves or working with them when they're bleeding severely.  So there's that part.

Mostly it's a sense of accountability and protective care.  A lot of these people are scum and belong here, but that doesn't mean they don't have families and loved ones that care about them.  It's the jail's responsibility to keep them safe from harm, both from others and from themselves.

Keep in mind, we aren't a prison.  We rarely get murder cases or anything of the sort.  It's a county jail.  They're in for assault, robbery, forgery of check, etc.

[Doktor Howl]

Accountability is huge here.  I mean, I work in a jail so it's understandable.  If something goes wrong it could mean an inmate completes suicide or an officer gets assaulted. 

I may be missing something here, but I never quite understood why having a prisoner commit suicide is  big deal. Maybe I'm factoring out the cleanup or something.

BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT WHAT IS HUMAN EMOTION

 That is fantastic.

Enki, I don't feel any personal sense of loss, nor do I think any of the officers do, when an inmate offs his or herself.  It is pretty disturbing on their parts, perhaps not so much seeing the dead inmate, but more regularly cutting down inmates who are hanging themselves or working with them when they're bleeding severely.  So there's that part.

Mostly it's a sense of accountability and protective care.  A lot of these people are scum and belong here, but that doesn't mean they don't have families and loved ones that care about them.  It's the jail's responsibility to keep them safe from harm, both from others and from themselves.

Keep in mind, we aren't a prison.  We rarely get murder cases or anything of the sort.  It's a county jail.  They're in for assault, robbery, forgery of check, etc.

Also, if it's a jail, you also have people waiting for trial that haven't yet been convicted of anything, right?

[Jasper]

But we could be so efficient if we just stopped caring when people die.

And who wants to live in a world like that?  I mean, besides Enki, and then only til something bad happens to him.

Here's hoping it does.

Dok, the rate of new autistic spectrum cases is increasing.  This is a bigger problem than BEEP BOOP over there.  

[Eater of Clowns]

Also, if it's a jail, you also have people waiting for trial that haven't yet been convicted of anything, right?

Pretty much exactly that, yeah.  Like most jails, the vast majority of our uh, clientelle, are repeat offenders, so they've been convicted of plenty of things before but not the charges on which they're currently being held.  It's actually so rare to find someone with no previous history that we usually think we've made mistakes in missing their past arraignments.  Of course, previous convictions do not mean they're guilty this time.

[Thurnez Isa]

But we could be so efficient if we just stopped caring when people die.

And who wants to live in a world like that?  I mean, besides Enki, and then only til something bad happens to him.

Here's hoping it does.

Not trying to defend his statement
But I am going to assume that Enki probably 1) hasn't had anyone close to him kill themselves, or struggle with the suicide of a close family member 2) Never has had an extreme life altering event which has caused him to become irrational and extremely depressed or 3) suffered clinical depression or have had some point had a mental illness in which he has lost touch with reality.

[BADGE OF HONOR]

But we could be so efficient if we just stopped caring when people die.

And who wants to live in a world like that?  I mean, besides Enki, and then only til something bad happens to him.

Here's hoping it does.

Not trying to defend his statement
But I am going to assume that Enki probably 1) hasn't had anyone close to him kill themselves, or struggle with the suicide of a close family member 2) Never has had an extreme life altering event which has caused him to become irrational and extremely depressed or 3) suffered clinical depression or have had some point had a mental illness in which he has lost touch with reality.

Enki is the likeliest case of aspergers I've ever seen and this is why he shits up every goddamned thread. 

[Reginald Ret]

Since I already made an ass of myself ITT I might as well state that I try to defend the right to do with your life as you wish( even end it) whenever I can.
There are only two ethical reasons to restrain someone's freedom: Their actions will likely lead to other people gettting hurt or temporary factors may cause them to hurt themselves.
So the only ones who should be kept from killing themselves are those that are temporarily in a suicidal state of mind.
If a lifer/deathrowee who has exhausted all his options wants to kill himself, let him.
Restrain the rest until you have the budget for counseling or they get released.

And for fuck's sake, don't save a guy's life just so you can execute him. That's just cruel.

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

because in theory we're suppose to be advanced enough that we have regard for human life. That an every prisoner isn't there cause  he's the Satanic love child of Charlie Manson.

I'm not suggesting killing prisoners. I am just wondering why prisoner suicide is treated like a bigger deal than non-prisoner suicide.

[Thurnez Isa]

I pretty sure non-prisoner suicide is kind of a big deal too

[Rococo Modem Basilisk]

Accountability is huge here.  I mean, I work in a jail so it's understandable.  If something goes wrong it could mean an inmate completes suicide or an officer gets assaulted. 

I may be missing something here, but I never quite understood why having a prisoner commit suicide is  big deal. Maybe I'm factoring out the cleanup or something.

BEEP BOOP I AM A ROBOT WHAT IS HUMAN EMOTION

 That is fantastic.

Enki, I don't feel any personal sense of loss, nor do I think any of the officers do, when an inmate offs his or herself.  It is pretty disturbing on their parts, perhaps not so much seeing the dead inmate, but more regularly cutting down inmates who are hanging themselves or working with them when they're bleeding severely.  So there's that part.

Mostly it's a sense of accountability and protective care.  A lot of these people are scum and belong here, but that doesn't mean they don't have families and loved ones that care about them.  It's the jail's responsibility to keep them safe from harm, both from others and from themselves.

Keep in mind, we aren't a prison.  We rarely get murder cases or anything of the sort.  It's a county jail.  They're in for assault, robbery, forgery of check, etc.

Okay. I dig, then.