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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #105 on: May 14, 2010, 04:14:34 am »
Incidentally, exactly how many Hispanics are part of this "San Diego Plan"?

And links to the death threats concerning Cinco De Mayo?
i kind of wish i had taken a picture. the huge group downtown in the protests and such on the multiple days that it spanned were constantly shouting about the san diego plan loud enough to hear from my house

and every sign i seen (granted i cant see very far and these signs could have simply been the ones that worked their way to the outskirts on the three sides of the mobs i seen) had either the words "San Diego Plan" or the outright full plan written on the sign itself...
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #106 on: May 14, 2010, 04:17:38 am »
Incidentally, exactly how many Hispanics are part of this "San Diego Plan"?

And links to the death threats concerning Cinco De Mayo?
i kind of wish i had taken a picture. the huge group downtown in the protests and such on the multiple days that it spanned were constantly shouting about the san diego plan loud enough to hear from my house

That's odd, because Freeky and my daughter were right across the street from the protest after leaving Hydra, and - according to my daughter - never heard anything about the "San Diego Plan".

and every sign i seen (granted i cant see very far and these signs could have simply been the ones that worked their way to the outskirts on the three sides of the mobs i seen) had either the words "San Diego Plan" or the outright full plan written on the sign itself...

Let me google some pics from the demonstration.  BRB.
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #107 on: May 14, 2010, 04:19:46 am »
Also, considering you're all good with one Jim Crow law, how are you about the law permitting the state to refuse to hire/fire English teachers who "have a heavy accent"?

(And come to think of it, how do you decide when an accent is "heavy"?)
what of my nature from the years you have known me screams 'i accept everything if i accept one thing'?

i am always case-by-case

considering i was a fucking 'outsider' growing up i am all against racism, as i had to deal with it myself. its fucking ignorant. i am not for the profiling etc etc, but by the lay of the bill that in itself is illegal and you can still sue if you feel that you were profiled. and i know that is an issue with the bill having passed, and acknowledge such, but seeing as how nearly everyone in arizona looks a bit mexican how can you profile anyways? unless you are to stop everyone on bogus charges just to get id, but then that would be shot down just as quick as making those traps for dunkards etc etc

dont go overboard and think that i am one of those 'they tuk our jabs' bitches who is the exact opposite of those who were getting the crowds to try to get involved in their cleanisng bullshit. hypocrisy is not for me, thanks
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #108 on: May 14, 2010, 04:20:44 am »


Not seeing anything about a San Diego Plan.

Also, googled "tucson demonstration immigration reform San Diego Plan" and all I got was a pile of right wing nutjob blogs.
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #109 on: May 14, 2010, 04:22:01 am »

dont go overboard and think that i am one of those 'they tuk our jabs' bitches who is the exact opposite of those who were getting the crowds to try to get involved in their cleanisng bullshit. hypocrisy is not for me, thanks

Haven't seen any evidence that there was any cleansing being proposed.
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« Reply #110 on: May 14, 2010, 04:29:09 am »

dont go overboard and think that i am one of those 'they tuk our jabs' bitches who is the exact opposite of those who were getting the crowds to try to get involved in their cleanisng bullshit. hypocrisy is not for me, thanks

Haven't seen any evidence that there was any cleansing being proposed.
absence of evidence =/= evidence of absence.

i will stand down as i didnt take any pictures, etc etc, i didnt expect the board to scream so fucking much for me putting my input in.

I stated my observations, and will admit i didnt see the entire protest, but what i seen of it, and the parts of it that came through the neighborhood down here threateneing me and anyone outside saying that the threats were in effect, call me a white devil (which was amusing) and the several dozen signs that were being walked up and down first friday in phoenix that prompted me to figure out what the fuck the san diego plan was in the first place since i had seen it in the protest as well etc etc...

and from accounts of those i inquired it was rife through the rest of their experience too. i guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?



and i am pretty sure that what i saw coming happened, and the urge to actually read the bill was lost...
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #111 on: May 14, 2010, 04:35:40 am »
i guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?

This is PD.  We have a fairly high standard of debate.  Or we just throw big lops of monkey poo at each other.  Depends what day of the week it is.

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« Reply #112 on: May 14, 2010, 04:43:14 am »
i guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?

This is PD.  We have a fairly high standard of debate.  Or we just throw big lops of monkey poo at each other.  Depends what day of the week it is.


duly noted. next time i venture out of Or Kill Me i will bring pictures.
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« Reply #113 on: May 14, 2010, 04:47:59 am »
i guess i just never thought that i would need evidence, ya know?

This is PD.  We have a fairly high standard of debate.  Or we just throw big lops of monkey poo at each other.  Depends what day of the week it is.


duly noted. next time i venture out of Or Kill Me i will bring pictures.

Probably for the best.

This is Tucson, after all.  The people you saw may not have been Mexicans.  They might not have actually been people.  They could have been some horrible apparition caused by the fact that your house is built smack on top of the Rotarian Club's ancient burial grounds.
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #114 on: May 14, 2010, 06:56:37 am »
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #115 on: May 14, 2010, 08:11:13 am »
the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

At least one person has already been detained despite having a drivers license with him.  So no, a drivers license is not considered valid by the cops. 

The man in question was probably not suspected of anything either (it happened when he stopped at a truck weigh station), but I'll concede that it is possible there was some irregularity not mentioned by the news.

If you actually read the law (I have by the way) you'll find that:

A) All immigrants must carry a green card at all times (this was already federal law, but they have upped the penalty in Arizona from 100 dollars to 500 dollars, a jail sentence, and deportation).  A driver's license is not proof of legal residence.  Even if it was proof of legal residence, it does not fulfill the requirement of the green card, as per the text of the bill.

B) A cop has full authority to decide if a person is an immigrant.  So even if he has no evidence a person is an immigrant (legal or otherwise), they can be detained for not having a green card on them.

C) Deportation is now mandatory for parking tickets and jaywalking (any fine levied by the government, at all, requires deportation).

Please read the fucking bill before responding.
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #116 on: May 14, 2010, 02:14:03 pm »
So Roger...a friend of yours?


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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #117 on: May 14, 2010, 02:23:53 pm »
"MexiNazis"??  :lulz:

so over here in Discordia we have this word Fnord, which has meant a lot of things over time, but this one guy used it in a book. Wikipedia says it represents "disinformation or irrelevant information intending to misdirect, with the implication of a worldwide conspiracy".

It refers to emotionally charged words being used out of context, so as to whip people up into a frenzy. For example the word SOCIALISM is a fnord-word, or TERRORISM. If you use it in a sentence, no matter the context, it whips up the intensity of that sentence without adding any meaning.

"Nazi" is one of those fnord-words which has been so overused that it no longer has any meaning except to point out how hysterical you are.

What you said:

Those Mexicans are an objectively evil force who should be seen as the ENEMY
They are racists who torture innocent jews
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What we heard:

Those Damn Dirty Spics are Takin' Our Jabs!
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also, repost from the political pix thread, but it should be in this thread too:



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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #118 on: May 14, 2010, 02:27:02 pm »
Fuck.

Well, I'm actually fucking glad San Diego is being bandied about like this, in that particular manner.  Fuck + yeah.

ETA:  I was hoping that we would GET AWAY from this bullshit notion that racial profiling even WORKS.  But hearing apologetics and the screaming about ILLEGALS! ILLEGALS! from anyone who LIKES this fucking bill makes me think it's the last ditch effort of the lazy and gadabouts.

...you can TELL an ILLEGAL by his FOOTWEAR?

Fuck you.

You think So. CA didn't used to belong to Mexico and WASN'T swindled away by the US government?

Fuck you.

You think you don't (sorry, forgot that edit) have more rights here than the so-called illegals who work for pennies on the dollar so you can buy your fucking strawberries for $1.99 a pound?

Fuck you.
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Re: UNLIMITED Arizona Hilarity thread
« Reply #119 on: May 14, 2010, 02:38:17 pm »
the main part of the bill is this: YOU NEED TO BE IN THE ACT OF AN INFRACTION TO HAVE YOUR ID REQUESTED.

the bulk of these are, indeed, when you are pulled over

but guess what? YOUR ID IS PROOF OF CITIZENSHIP. and, even far far before the bill was even a glint in AZ's eye it was ILLEGAL to drive without your id

At least one person has already been detained despite having a drivers license with him.  So no, a drivers license is not considered valid by the cops. 

The man in question was probably not suspected of anything either (it happened when he stopped at a truck weigh station), but I'll concede that it is possible there was some irregularity not mentioned by the news.

If you actually read the law (I have by the way) you'll find that:

A) All immigrants must carry a green card at all times (this was already federal law, but they have upped the penalty in Arizona from 100 dollars to 500 dollars, a jail sentence, and deportation).  A driver's license is not proof of legal residence.  Even if it was proof of legal residence, it does not fulfill the requirement of the green card, as per the text of the bill.

B) A cop has full authority to decide if a person is an immigrant.  So even if he has no evidence a person is an immigrant (legal or otherwise), they can be detained for not having a green card on them.

C) Deportation is now mandatory for parking tickets and jaywalking (any fine levied by the government, at all, requires deportation).

Please read the fucking bill before responding.

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