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So, Richter, Goddamn Reactor 106 Threw Its Agitator Again.

Started by Doktor Howl, April 29, 2010, 07:05:44 PM

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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Requia ☣ on April 29, 2010, 09:12:03 PM
Discordianism doesn't have a cage though, at least not here, where the pinealists and various dogmatic assholes whose threads you dig up have been chased away.  So you have to have something else if you want a cage.

I think you mean "Fortress".  A Black Iron Fortress.
Molon Lube

Jasper

This is it.  Ideas about reality are tools, not divinities.  Tools are for solving problems.  We didn't evolve this prefrontal cortex shit because nature thought it'd be a nice touch, we have it because we need it, same way we needed the hand-axe and fire.

But we've spent the last few thousand years creating the myth of the purely rational agent, and cutting the human being apart into various dualities so that people started assuming that everything we do is rational.

We aren't rational.  We usually aren't even decent.

Dr. Hawking is right, if there are aliens out there, we should avoid them on the basic principle that they may be anything like us.  Tribe loving, idea worshipping, self aggrandizing, hairy, live-birth nut-eating skin monsters with fire and an axe to grind.

There's hope though.  If there are people who think the thoughts I'm seeing voiced here, that means I'm not alone on this horrible, beautiful planet.  Because I didn't petition for existence, and neither did any of us, and all we have is each other, at the best of times.  Social fictions don't keep you company, people do.




Doktor Howl

Quote from: Sigmatic on April 29, 2010, 09:26:33 PM
Social fictions don't keep you company, people do.

You'd think so, anyway.

But it seems that people are more than willing to cast aside their friends, if their friends do not make proper obiesance to their particular idols.
Molon Lube

Jasper


Doktor Howl

Quote from: Sigmatic on April 29, 2010, 09:32:24 PM
Failures of perspective abound.  We are all Ahab.

Oh, I like that.

I like that a lot.

I think I have tomorrow's rant.  Just gotta bounce it around a bit.
Molon Lube

Kai

Dok, you know this human thing is cyclical. And you know we are all still monkeys, even with our Discordian tendency to walk upright.


That's all I've got.
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Doktor Howl

Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
Dok, you know this human thing is cyclical. And you know we are all still monkeys, even with our Discordian tendency to walk upright.


That's all I've got.

Oh, sure.  But what the hell are we here for, if not to build a better monkey?

Because the ones we have aren't working right.
Molon Lube

Jasper

I'm chuffed about that last line, myself.

And I'd like to add that science is possible, but it never affords absolute certainty or inifallible knowledge.  It's built to make affordances for that, because all you have other than empricism is pure reason, and we all know what a crock that is.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Sigmatic on April 29, 2010, 09:43:57 PM
I'm chuffed about that last line, myself.

And I'd like to add that science is possible, but it never affords absolute certainty or inifallible knowledge.  It's built to make affordances for that, because all you have other than empricism is pure reason, and we all know what a crock that is.

1.  Which line?

2.  No, I meant that science is impossible because monkeys insist on imposing their own preconceptions onto data.
Molon Lube

Jasper

The Ahab line.  Yeah, interpretation is risky business, but someone has to do it.

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Sigmatic on April 29, 2010, 09:51:31 PM
The Ahab line.  Yeah, interpretation is risky business, but someone has to do it.

Chuffed?
Molon Lube

Jasper

I think it's british, colloquial for "pleased with oneself".

Kai

Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
Dok, you know this human thing is cyclical. And you know we are all still monkeys, even with our Discordian tendency to walk upright.


That's all I've got.

Oh, sure.  But what the hell are we here for, if not to build a better monkey?

Because the ones we have aren't working right.

Are you suggesting Transhumanism?
If there is magic on this planet, it is contained in water. --Loren Eisley, The Immense Journey

Her Royal Majesty's Chief of Insect Genitalia Dissection
Grand Visser of the Six Legged Class
Chanticleer of the Holometabola Clade Church, Diptera Parish

Doktor Howl

Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
Dok, you know this human thing is cyclical. And you know we are all still monkeys, even with our Discordian tendency to walk upright.


That's all I've got.

Oh, sure.  But what the hell are we here for, if not to build a better monkey?

Because the ones we have aren't working right.

Are you suggesting Transhumanism?

I'll settle for plain old humanism first.  Crawl before you walk, walk before you run.
Molon Lube

Jasper

Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: Doktor Howl on April 29, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
Quote from: Kai on April 29, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
Dok, you know this human thing is cyclical. And you know we are all still monkeys, even with our Discordian tendency to walk upright.


That's all I've got.

Oh, sure.  But what the hell are we here for, if not to build a better monkey?

Because the ones we have aren't working right.

Are you suggesting Transhumanism?

I like to think of it as transcendentalism for philosophical materialists.