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[Cramulus]

One way I can think of to counter the surveillance state...

become an exhibitionist!

create a fake identity for yourself which involves lots of nude pix and sloppy sex with public pictures.

apply for jobs and wait for them to google you

get off on the feeling of being observed


if we had thousands of people doing this, maybe our bosses would be more hesitant to google



or way more eager
...I guess that could backfire pretty easily

[Hoser McRhizzy]

Why can't i laugh about this?
Fucking fuck it, i'm going to try harder to become selfsufficient.
I'll become a recluse living of what i can grow on my own land.
Then i won't need a job so i won't be as susceptible to this kind of shit.

Do you mind if i spread this around a bit?

Do what you like with it.  (bizarrely flattered and don't know what to say)

The recluse idea is attractive sometimes.

I love it, nurse!

And yeah, this is probably what we're heading for, except it will be different. Not better, probably, but just different.

Thank you.    I agree with you (the 'not better, but different' thing).  If I had to guess, buckets of dataveillance stuff will continue to go the way of the blacklist: ex. more people 'flagged,' name misspellings and so on, and it'll be just as difficult to get yourself un-flagged or correct information as it is now; more govt workers and employers with access, but no idea how the systems work, etc.

Pirate Party Nerds FTW!  If they're anything like Privacy International, they're thorough, sharp, care deeply about what they're doing... and have no idea how to talk to the press.

@ Cramulus - "Empowering Exhibitionism" 

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I like very much.

I like the general attitude of the interviewer, like, it's all good, we all get lonely. Understanding but also totally disinterested, other than to fill in the blanks.

[Hoser McRhizzy]

Thanks, Twid!  That's exactly what I was going for (similar to what Cramulus said about accounting for chaos).  I also wanted it to be the last part of the interviewee's training, like a low-level hostility ultimatum: Will you take this shit, no questions asked?  Yes?  You're hired.  (The kind of employer that emails you at midnight just to see if you'll write back before regular work hours in the morning.  But that was just personal stuff.)

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Just want to say thanks again for all the kind and interesting feedback!  There's a lot to think with in this thread.  My apologies for putting it in the wrong section.

I was planning on keeping this thread to post other info-for-access-related scenarios, but if I come up with anything else, I'll start a new one in Or Kill Me (thanks, EoC).

[Juana]

Very nice, Nurse! Creepy and that interviewer was kind of distressingly perky.

Don't forget GPS functions in family phones.  Why trust your kid when you can track them via sattelite?

We have this on our family's phones, because the middle sister is a proven liar and prone to disappearing for hours (and they can't just apply it to her phone and leave everyone else's alone). There are legit uses for it, honestly.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Very nice, Nurse! Creepy and that interviewer was kind of distressingly perky.

Don't forget GPS functions in family phones.  Why trust your kid when you can track them via sattelite?

We have this on our family's phones, because the middle sister is a proven liar and prone to disappearing for hours (and they can't just apply it to her phone and leave everyone else's alone). There are legit uses for it, honestly.

You gotta admit though, the commercials for it were creepy...

[Juana]

Never seen 'em. I rarely watch TV (why would I when I have the internet?) so I must have missed it.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

Never seen 'em. I rarely watch TV (why would I when I have the internet?) so I must have missed it.

It was basically like, mom leaves daughter with friends in the mall. They wave goodbye to each other all mother and daughter like, and then mother gets on the iPhone and tracks her location.

Yeah, there's an app for that too.

[P3nT4gR4m]

No different from a lot of inventions - they get invented for all the right reasons and then all the wrong people work out how to use them for all the wrong purposes.

Not saying a lot of inventions aren't necessarily insidious to begin with but I suspect the majority aren't.

[noir]

This story gives me the willies in the most comical of ways. I like it

Don't forget GPS functions in family phones.  Why trust your kid when you can track them via sattelite?

We have this on our family's phones, because the middle sister is a proven liar and prone to disappearing for hours (and they can't just apply it to her phone and leave everyone else's alone). There are legit uses for it, honestly.

I can't imagine any scenario save maybe Alzheimer's or some other medical condition where this would be excusable. I think it perpetuates distrust and in the end only serves to exacerbate the problem. Quite frankly this is only going to make the child a better liar. I'm not here to tell anyone how to raise their kinds but just imagine this same mentality on a societal level.
'People (or even THESE people) have been proven to lie in the past. They should be tracked to make sure they're not up to no good'

[Juana]

This story gives me the willies in the most comical of ways. I like it

Don't forget GPS functions in family phones.  Why trust your kid when you can track them via sattelite?

We have this on our family's phones, because the middle sister is a proven liar and prone to disappearing for hours (and they can't just apply it to her phone and leave everyone else's alone). There are legit uses for it, honestly.

I can't imagine any scenario save maybe Alzheimer's or some other medical condition where this would be excusable. I think it perpetuates distrust and in the end only serves to exacerbate the problem. Quite frankly this is only going to make the child a better liar. I'm not here to tell anyone how to raise their kinds but just imagine this same mentality on a societal level.
'People (or even THESE people) have been proven to lie in the past. They should be tracked to make sure they're not up to no good'

She's of an age where my parents' ability to get her to behave is starting to become limited, so they have to trade some freedom off for some control. And yeah, I know. Turn it off, leave it at home, etc. Fortunately, she hasn't done that yet.
I would say I don't think this would fly on a societal level, but I'd be wrong. :/

Never seen 'em. I rarely watch TV (why would I when I have the internet?) so I must have missed it.

It was basically like, mom leaves daughter with friends in the mall. They wave goodbye to each other all mother and daughter like, and then mother gets on the iPhone and tracks her location.

Yeah, there's an app for that too.

Oh creepy.

[Hoser McRhizzy]

Very nice, Nurse! Creepy and that interviewer was kind of distressingly perky.

Thanks, Hover Cat!  (Off topic, but I fukkin love staring at your avatar).

btw, here's a parody of the 'app for that' commercials, just so you know what we're referring to: istalker 

No different from a lot of inventions - they get invented for all the right reasons and then all the wrong people work out how to use them for all the wrong purposes.

Not saying a lot of inventions aren't necessarily insidious to begin with but I suspect the majority aren't.

It's the fault of the machines, damnabit!    Really good point - there's definitely a tendency to blame behaviour that doesn't seem alright on the technology enabling it. 

The line's so subjective though: What's 'legitimate use' and what's not?  What seems innocent or sinister?

This story gives me the willies in the most comical of ways. I like it

Thanks, noir!  And from one n00b to another, welcome. 

Surveillance reinforces criminalization, for sure.  Makes me wonder what the real differences are between getting grounded for a year (parental surveillance circa 1992, in my case) and getting chipped?  Kids are already targets. 

Getting away from the GPS phone thing for a minute...

For me, differences are in the scale of surveillance, who's doing it, how transparent or covert it is, whether the surveiller is a peer, authority figure or a program, how long records are kept, how are the records put together and so on.  But what freaks me out is how these things seem to reflect and amplify, legitimate and normalize each other.  The "creep" of them, for lack of a better word.

A group called the Surveillance Society in the UK was hired in 2006 by the Information Commissioner to do a study on the different institutions collecting personal data, and they used a phrase to describe what they ended up looking at: the database state.  An accountability system run on a mess of mostly unregulated aggregation (ex. where consumer data was lumped in with health, criminal, and other records).  One problem is an assumed right to what I think is invasive access.  Another is incompetence.  The shiny-factor can't be ruled out either ("there's an app for that" on a state-scale).

Now I'm rambling and have no point.  Just thinking out loud.

[BabylonHoruv]

One way I can think of to counter the surveillance state...

become an exhibitionist!

create a fake identity for yourself which involves lots of nude pix and sloppy sex with public pictures.

apply for jobs and wait for them to google you

get off on the feeling of being observed


if we had thousands of people doing this, maybe our bosses would be more hesitant to google



or way more eager
...I guess that could backfire pretty easily

I not only enjoy this idea I plan on doing it.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

This was fucking excellent!

[Hoser McRhizzy]

One way I can think of to counter the surveillance state...

become an exhibitionist!

create a fake identity for yourself which involves lots of nude pix and sloppy sex with public pictures.

apply for jobs and wait for them to google you

get off on the feeling of being observed


if we had thousands of people doing this, maybe our bosses would be more hesitant to google



or way more eager
...I guess that could backfire pretty easily

I not only enjoy this idea I plan on doing it.

@ Nigel - Glad you enjoyed it!