DADT Survey- What would you do if you were FORCED to shower with a GAY!?

[BabylonHoruv]

Honestly, I think the best explanation, though seemingly a cop-out, is "nature and/or nurture"

From what I can tell, there are no absolutes.

I was raised in a fairly strict, religious family that didn't have a good view of gays and lesbians.  Yet, I grew up to be someone who grew up to not only be tolerant of the lifestyle, I've gone on to work alongside them on initiatives. 

It is likely the opposite also holds true.  A young person grows up in a very open and tolerant family, yet, through experiences and their personal interpretation of those experiences, builds an intolerance to a certain kind of person, in this case gays and lesbians. 

In both cases, a rebellion (purposeful or perhaps not) against the parental paradigms. 

And of course there are the scenarios where each hold on to and ascribe to the parental paradigms as they move through life, perhaps softening or hardening on the viewpoint, depending on experiences and their shrapnel. 

So I think the rebellion speaks to nature.  Something innate to the individual that chooses a path that is different from the parents. 
The sticking with the parent paradigm is the nurture. 

But then there is the nature and nurture.  The rebellion coupled with experiences in the environment that reinforces the new paradigm.

Rebellion could also, potentially, be a genetic predisposition, and thus an aspect of nature.

[Requia ☣]

Nurture is more than just the parents influence as well.

[Shibboleet The Annihilator]

I love how pretty much everyone who is actually serving IN the military is like "Gays? Yeah, so?" but the neocon assholes in charge are fucking determined to create a problem.

[Doktor Howl]

I love how pretty much everyone who is actually serving IN the military is like "Gays? Yeah, so?" but the neocon assholes in charge are fucking determined to create a problem.

Anecdotal only, here, but when I was in, we knew there were gays.  We knew who many of them were.

Nobody gave a shit.

[Pope Lecherous]

I love how pretty much everyone who is actually serving IN the military is like "Gays? Yeah, so?" but the neocon assholes in charge are fucking determined to create a problem.

Anecdotal only, here, but when I was in, we knew there were gays.  We knew who many of them were.

Nobody gave a shit.

we have this joke in the Marine Corps, where if any of us stuck around and dadt was repealed, that we would reminisce about the good old days when the Marine Corps was 'fagless.'

it's funny given what you said, cuz yes, a lot of gays are known... and yes, nobody gives a shit about what they do so long as no one knows about it.

[Faust]

One essential part of my army that I need for the new regime is I want to rebuild the Minos Labyrinth but instead of a half man, head of a bull I want to put an armed anf vicious man hating bulldyke in there and drop in my detractors. That and my corps must have traditional Spartan values, where homosexuality in the military would need to be encouraged.


This adds little to the debate, I just thought I'd get it off my chest.

[Iason Ouabache]

I love how pretty much everyone who is actually serving IN the military is like "Gays? Yeah, so?" but the neocon assholes in charge are fucking determined to create a problem.

Anecdotal only, here, but when I was in, we knew there were gays.  We knew who many of them were.

Nobody gave a shit.

we have this joke in the Marine Corps, where if any of us stuck around and dadt was repealed, that we would reminisce about the good old days when the Marine Corps was 'fagless.'

it's funny given what you said, cuz yes, a lot of gays are known... and yes, nobody gives a shit about what they do so long as no one knows about it.

That's a good reason why it needs to be repealed. The only time it seems to be enforced is when someone gets pissed off and wants to retaliate against someone who just happens to be homosexual.

[Jasper]

Yeah, all it's really doing so far is crapping on people who go out of their way to 'serve the country', as they say.

[Pope Lecherous]

Yeah, all it's really doing so far is crapping on people who go out of their way to 'serve the country', as they say.

this.  pretty sad imo.  i was on recruiter's assistance (a program that is just what it sounds like).  spoke to some highschoolers who asked me if the Marine Corps discriminates. i replied simply 'yes' much to their surprise. 'but of course never on the basis of race, religion, sex, etc.' 

someone proceeded to ask about gays, which prompted an awkward silence and strange looks from his classmates, followed by an outburst of laughter.  after they calmed down i said gay people could join so long as they keep their sexuality a secret and do not engage in 'homosexual activity.' heterosexuals are also prohibited from homosexual conduct.  it felt like a copout to me, but it is the stance of the Marine Corps 

That's a good reason why it needs to be repealed. The only time it seems to be enforced is when someone gets pissed off and wants to retaliate against someone who just happens to be homosexual.

also... this.

on that note females cause an awful lot of problems too. not always directly, mind you, but in the way they influence (immature) males around them.  don't confuse this with me saying they arent capable etc.

[Doktor Howl]

on that note females cause an awful lot of problems too. not always directly, mind you, but in the way they influence (immature) males around them.  don't confuse this with me saying they arent capable etc.

That's a discipline issue.

[Pope Lecherous]

on that note females cause an awful lot of problems too. not always directly, mind you, but in the way they influence (immature) males around them.  don't confuse this with me saying they arent capable etc.

That's a discipline issue.

same reason anybody would have problems with gays serving openly. they dont have the discipline to forget about their 'feelings' and just get the fucking job done.

[Cain]

Oh where is Bill Hicks, now that we need him?

"I'm against gays serving in the military.  I don't think it's right.  It just ain't natural or moral.  It goes against my moral beliefs.  Hey, is that a village full of innocent women and children?  Where'd I put the napalm?   Wheeeeeee BOOM!!!"

[Pope Pixie Pickle]

Oh where is Bill Hicks, now that we need him?

"I'm against gays serving in the military.  I don't think it's right.  It just ain't natural or moral.  It goes against my moral beliefs.  Hey, is that a village full of innocent women and children?  Where'd I put the napalm?   Wheeeeeee BOOM!!!"

This

[Adios]

If I had to shower with gays I would rinse, lather, rinse, dry off, get dressed.

Or is that too simple?

[Jasper]

You forgot to commit a hate crime.