DADT Survey- What would you do if you were FORCED to shower with a GAY!?

[DiscoUkulele]

I haven't read the actual survey, but I fail to see how this:

It includes such gems as "What you would do if you knew you were sharing a shower with a HOMOSEXUAL!?  " and "What would you do if you found out that a gay person was living on-base with their SAME SEX PARTNER!?  "

is homophobic, assuming that the capitalization and emoticons are your added emphasis and the question does not actually look exactly like that on the survey.

Well, for example, the available responses to a question about what you would do if you had to share living quarters with a known homosexual are:

- Take No Action
- Discuss Appropriate Behavior
- Talk to a Chaplain, Mentor, or Leader for advice
- Talk to a Leader to see if I have other options
- Something else
- Don't know

Out of that particular list, 3 answers are negative reactions, 2 are neutral (unless "Something Else" is something stupid), and only one is positive (take no action).

I only see one negative response there (talking to a leader to see if I have other options). The others all seem pretty value-neutral to me. Mind you I have no use for bigotry, especially with regards to something as trivial as sexuality and ESPECIALLY when the people in question are willing to take a bullet for their country, but I also have no use for over-sensitivity and political correctness. The point of the survey is to gauge the likely responses of american soldiers to the open presence of homosexuals in their unit, not to teach them how to be more open-minded and tolerant.

Point taken. I'll admit I tend to let myself get a bit oversensitive on this issue, or any LGBT issues. And then I type up long-winded knee-jerk rants about it.

Still sucks that everyone has to wait for this research project to be completed before anything can happen, though, instead of them just saying "Hey, we're not gonna kick people out just for being gay, and try not to be dicks to them."

[East Coast Hustle]

On the bright side, our childrens' generation will probably mostly think it was pretty silly that people used to care about that sort of thing, and their childrens' generation probably won't even understand that it used to be an issue.

[Pope Lecherous]

http://terminallance.com/?p=399
Check the cartoon

The issue of gays in the military has always been a tough subject, but recently it's made headlines quite frequently and for that reason I will leave my personal opinion out of this. It is more or less irrelevant to the joke. As the strip suggests though, it is quite ironic that so many Marines are against gays and lesbians serving in the military, but are guilty of doing gayer shit than the average gay man on a daily basis. The "oil check" was something I never really thought was appropriate, in any situation–yet it had its hayday in my old platoon for a good couple of weeks.

There's always some new practical, physical joke that spreads around and lasts for a week or two. Usually it involves some form of homo-erotic behavior like fingering another man's asshole or showing someone your balls. I suppose when you're stuck in shitty situations on a near constant basis away from civilization, a group of young men will inevitably resort to using their own bodies to find humor.

If you were (or are) in the Marine Corps you should definitely check this site out

[LMNO]

An actual relevant Monty Python reference.

[Pope Lecherous]

An actual relevant Monty Python reference.

Why does this never get old?

[LMNO]

Beats me... I still burst out laughing every time I see the Fish Slapping Dance, too.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

I haven't read the actual survey, but I fail to see how this:

It includes such gems as "What you would do if you knew you were sharing a shower with a HOMOSEXUAL!?  " and "What would you do if you found out that a gay person was living on-base with their SAME SEX PARTNER!?  "

is homophobic, assuming that the capitalization and emoticons are your added emphasis and the question does not actually look exactly like that on the survey.

Well, for example, the available responses to a question about what you would do if you had to share living quarters with a known homosexual are:

- Take No Action
- Discuss Appropriate Behavior
- Talk to a Chaplain, Mentor, or Leader for advice
- Talk to a Leader to see if I have other options
- Something else
- Don't know

Out of that particular list, 3 answers are negative reactions, 2 are neutral (unless "Something Else" is something stupid), and only one is positive (take no action).

I only see one negative response there (talking to a leader to see if I have other options). The others all seem pretty value-neutral to me. Mind you I have no use for bigotry, especially with regards to something as trivial as sexuality and ESPECIALLY when the people in question are willing to take a bullet for their country, but I also have no use for over-sensitivity and political correctness. The point of the survey is to gauge the likely responses of american soldiers to the open presence of homosexuals in their unit, not to teach them how to be more open-minded and tolerant.

Point taken. I'll admit I tend to let myself get a bit oversensitive on this issue, or any LGBT issues. And then I type up long-winded knee-jerk rants about it.

Still sucks that everyone has to wait for this research project to be completed before anything can happen, though, instead of them just saying "Hey, we're not gonna kick people out just for being gay, and try not to be dicks to them."

Understandable, dude.

When you look at it, it's a stupid policy. I think that a repeal of DADT, followed up with an understanding that LGBT soldiers will not get fired for that will do wonders for acceptance as well as unit morale. If you come into the military a homophobe and said gay person actually saves your life, and in a bad ass way wastes a bunch of enemy soldiers, you're going to have to reassess your homophobia.

Imagine the stories to the kids. Say Zeke's son gets suspended from school for beating up on a kid for being gay:

"Look son, I used to hate gay people too. There was this one guy in my unit that I used to call faggot all the time. And he was gay. But you know what, that guy saved my life, and if he didn't, you'd have never been born. He and I were best buds after that until he was killed in action. It still hurts me to this day. Think about that."

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

That conversation would never happen, and the reason is that non-homophobic parents don't raise kids who beat up gays. Kids have to be taught homophobia, it doesn't come naturally.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

That conversation would never happen, and the reason is that non-homophobic parents don't raise kids who beat up gays. Kids have to be taught homophobia, it doesn't come naturally.

Not necessarily. If your parents don't teach you, your peers do.
I was homophobic for a while in elementary school and junior high. I didn't understand. My peers dictated my opinion until I started thinking, well, what's wrong with it anyway, and the eventual realization that my mother was friends with several gay people. I never beat anyone up, since I was never in any position to do so, but I cracked stupid jokes.

One of my best friends coming out firmly changed my opinion. Unfortunately, at first I thought he was kidding and laughed it off. He and I are still friends and I still feel bad about it.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

What I mean, Nigel, is that it might not necessarily occur to a reformed homophobic parent that they should teach their children about what homosexuality is and why homophobia is wrong. "Friends" will fill in those blanks. Fortunately, when I got to high school, I sat at the weirdo table and got to know people for who they were, not what they were labeled as. My mother, friend of the gay man though she was, never taught me that homosexuality was ok. She just took it for granted. My father, who was going to be a Catholic priest until he decided he liked the idea of sex, commented on a couple of occasions, that he was liberal for letting me get my ear pierced (in the mid-1990s), that it was very open-minded of me to have lesbian friends (with a reluctant affect), and that I should not be wearing nail polish (I was 16), and when I retorted to that last one, "oh what are you afraid that I'm gay?" He got all awkward and said, "Oh... uh... no... I don't think you're gay.... uh, Kevin.... uh.................. are you?"

Parents don't always teach what they should. That said, I have full faith in your parenting abilities, I'm just pointing out that not all parents teach what they should.

[Pope Lecherous]

That conversation would never happen...

Yea everyone knows gheys cant COMBAT
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[President Television]

That conversation would never happen, and the reason is that non-homophobic parents don't raise kids who beat up gays. Kids have to be taught homophobia, it doesn't come naturally.

Not necessarily. If your parents don't teach you, your peers do.
I was homophobic for a while in elementary school and junior high. I didn't understand. My peers dictated my opinion until I started thinking, well, what's wrong with it anyway, and the eventual realization that my mother was friends with several gay people. I never beat anyone up, since I was never in any position to do so, but I cracked stupid jokes.

One of my best friends coming out firmly changed my opinion. Unfortunately, at first I thought he was kidding and laughed it off. He and I are still friends and I still feel bad about it.

Yeah, I remember that when I was a little kid I used to be racist against Chinese people. My parents never taught it to me, it was just what the kids at my school did. The default (joking) insult among the kids in my grade 1 class was "You're Chinese" and we used to exchange jokes about Chinese people. For whatever reason, they were our default Acceptable Target. I still feel horrible about it. This was in the heart of multicultural Toronto, too. In the nineties. A couple of my friends were Chinese.

Kids who aren't taught any better get stupid ideas from their friends.

Addendum: Also, Nigel, as Twiddleton said, I have no doubt at all that you're a good parent.

[GIGGLES]

IF SOMEBODY MADE ME SHOWER WITH A FAG I WOULD RAPE THE SHIT OUT OF HIM SO HE KNOWS I'M NOT A FAG TOO.

[Nephew Twiddleton]

IF SOMEBODY MADE ME SHOWER WITH A FAG I WOULD RAPE THE SHIT OUT OF HIM SO HE KNOWS I'M NOT A FAG TOO.

Might be funny if straight man on straight/gay man rape in the military wasn't a real and underreported problem.

[Iason Ouabache]

Repeal Of 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Paves Way For Gay Sex Right On Battlefield, Opponents Fantasize

http://www.theonion.com/articles/repeal-of-dont-ask-dont-tell-paves-way-for-gay-sex,17698/

WASHINGTON—As Congress prepares to allow gay individuals to serve openly in the military, those against the proposed change voiced their concerns Monday, warning the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" could soon lead to strong, strapping American soldiers engaging in mind-blowing homosexual intercourse right on the battlefield.

"We're sending our soldiers out there with a mission, and that mission is to protect this country," said Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX), one of many conservative politicians who staunchly oppose the change. "If this is repealed, what's to stop all-night sex romps from breaking out while U.S. servicemen are hiding in a bunker, or crawling around an irrigation ditch bathed only by the light of the moon, or, say, the dozens of other situations I've already thought through in elaborate detail?"
"We can't allow this to happen," Gohmert added as beads of sweat collected on his brow. "It's wrong. Sweaty male sex—no matter how erotic and uninhibited—is so wrong and so, so naughty."