DADT Survey- What would you do if you were FORCED to shower with a GAY!?

[DiscoUkulele]

So the DADT survey leaked, and it's DELICIOUSLY homophobic and skewed.  

Quick history if you don't know what's going on- Congress has started attempting to do something about Don't Ask Don't Tell (the US Military ban on LGBT people), but the Pentagon has begged them to not do anything until they finish a research study on how gay people serving openly will affect national security. And President Obama recently signed a statement asking Congress to wait for the study, as well. Because we need to know what will happen if soldiers know that they're fighting alongside gay people; it could cause another 9/11 or something.

So the survey that the Pentagon mailed to service people as part of the research has leaked online. Not all of it, apparently. The Pentagon is claiming this isn't a complete leak. But this thing is hilariously homophobic, until you realize that this is actual real.

Article on Leaked DADT Survery. <-- This includes an embedded Scribed upload of the leaked portions of the survey.

It includes such gems as "What you would do if you knew you were sharing a shower with a HOMOSEXUAL!?  " and "What would you do if you found out that a gay person was living on-base with their SAME SEX PARTNER!?  "



So yeah, oh ho ho, it's kinda funny, but what does it matter?

Well, I'm glad you asked! Since Obama became president, LGBT people have continued to be fired from the military. These are people who have gone to war for the US, and in some cases have been on the verge of retirement, but because people find out they're LGBT, they get fired. And in most cases DIShonorably Discharged. And for some reason, a lot concentration of them have been Arab linguists ( )

This country still seems to have Middle East Bloodlust, and doesn't seem bothered by the fact that we've got two wars going on (and some even want a 3rd war in Iran). But yet, we're losing lots of military personnel over something as trivial as their sexual orientation or gender identity.

And now that there's finally a mechanism in place for LGBT people to potentially be able to serve with dignity and integrity (this Magical DADT Research), it turns out that it's horribly skewed to give gay people the shaft yet again and to make queer people out to be some sort of boogieman.

When the FUCK is this country going to grow up past the 2nd grade?

[Cain]

The really funny thing is that the RAND Corporation, the go-to military contractor for all things study-wise, did an actual study in the early 90s, when the question about gays serving in the military arose - however because the report was too factual and foresaw no major problems with gays serving in the military, the Pentagon along with certain GOP house members moved to suppress the findings and instead relied on an assortment of religious cranks, homophobes and people off their meds to come up with arguments.

[Kai]

The really funny thing is that the RAND Corporation, the go-to military contractor for all things study-wise, did an actual study in the early 90s, when the question about gays serving in the military arose - however because the report was too factual and foresaw no major problems with gays serving in the military, the Pentagon along with certain GOP house members moved to suppress the findings and instead relied on an assortment of religious cranks, homophobes and people off their meds to come up with arguments.

Because there really isn't. Because, believe it or not, homosexuals are just people, and are no more interested in straight people than straight people are interested in them. Nor do they find it difficult to work professionally with said straight people.

I think the faggots should get a survey asking whether the heterosexuals get in their way of basic everyday living and doing their job.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

I love how pretty much everyone who is actually serving IN the military is like "Gays? Yeah, so?" but the neocon assholes in charge are fucking determined to create a problem.

[Captain Utopia]

Huh.  Here's a list of countries which prohibit LGBT people from openly serving:

• Cuba
  
• China
  
• Iran
  
• North Korea
  
• Pakistan
  
• Saudi Arabia
  
• Syria
  
• United States of America
  
• Venezuela
  
• Yemen
  
  
  And a list of countries who don't give a shit:
  
  
• Australia
  
• Austria
  
• Belgium
  
• Bermuda
  
• Brazil
  
• Canada
  
• Denmark
  
• Finland
  
• France
  
• Germany
  
• Ireland
  
• Israel
  
• Italy
  
• Lithuania
  
• Luxembourg
  
• Malta
  
• The Netherlands
  
• New Zealand
  
• Norway
  
• Peru
  
• Philippines
  
• Romania
  
• Russia
  
• Slovenia
  
• South Africa
  
• Spain
  
• Sweden
  
• Switzerland
  
• Taiwan
  
• United Kingdom
  
• Uruguay
  
  It's just funny that the US decides to align its military policy with their so-called "Axis of Evil".
  

[Cain]

I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to IOZ's argument, that gays should be exempt from military service...along with the rest of humankind.  I just love the ideas of really flamboyantly camp men trying to help dour looking colonels "re-adjust" to an ordinary lifestyle.

[Captain Utopia]

Ha, that reminds me of a time on a Canadian Forces base in winter, I was smoking outside in the designated area and this Colonel comes out and lights up.  I try to strike up a conversation, so I point at the recent snow which is lying untouched a few feet deep around us, sparkling like crushed diamonds in the mid-afternoon sun - "Isn't the snow pretty?"  I swear, this guy takes two steps back, says "the only things I think are pretty are a naked lady and a cold beer!"  He then stubs out his almost virgin cigarette, curtly nods goodbye, and rushes back indoors.

Now this guy was probably in his fifties, and I worked alongside other openly gay service members who seemed to have no problem at all, so I think although it's mostly a generational thing, there is a contingent of homophobic assholes in the military.

But goddamn that was some pretty snow.

[Faust]

I'm actually somewhat sympathetic to IOZ's argument, that gays should be exempt from military service...along with the rest of humankind. 

I'm pro the destabalisation and weakening of the american military so making it as difficult for them to recruit as possible is good for me.
As well as a ban on every minority I also think there should be an upper limit on the intellegence of people allowed in, and lastly a program for octogenerians to be allowed into the military.

[Jasper]

Why don't we just act like the cartoonishly evil hegemony we are, appoint a shogunate, and enstate Penal Divisions.

[Cain]

There has been talk for a few years now of having an American Foreign Legion, with passports and citizenship for x years of service.

But as it is, mercenaries are still the cheapest option, even with their inflated fees it costs less to put a merc in the field than it does a US soldier.

[Bruno]

Why don't we just act like the cartoonishly evil hegemony we are, appoint a shogunate, and enstate Penal Divisions.

[Jasper]

Do not pass go, Jerry.  Go directly to boot camp.

[Storebrand]

Refelxive response:
It may be my career field but...
1.) Excluding leave and weekends, I haven't spent a day in service, including BMT, without a homosexual serving next to me. 
2.) Trust me on this.  You have to "get caught" with the sexual organs of a member of the same sex in contact with either your mouth or your sexual organs to get kicked out.  Just kissing, sharing a one bedroom apartment (including on base), etc. is frequently overlooked.
3.) I don't know anyone who has been asked to fill out that survey.
4.) If you were a Arabic linguist, given the current state of affairs and having realized how unsuited you were to the military life style, wouldn't you share you're homosexual tendencies?

[East Coast Hustle]

Huh.  Here's a list of countries which prohibit LGBT people from openly serving:

• Cuba
  
• China
  
• Iran
  
• North Korea
  
• Pakistan
  
• Saudi Arabia
  
• Syria
  
• United States of America
  
• Venezuela
  
• Yemen
  
  
  And a list of countries who don't give a shit:
  
  
• Australia
  
• Austria
  
• Belgium
  
• Bermuda
  
• Brazil
  
• Canada
  
• Denmark
  
• Finland
  
• France
  
• Germany
  
• Ireland
  
• Israel
  
• Italy
  
• Lithuania
  
• Luxembourg
  
• Malta
  
• The Netherlands
  
• New Zealand
  
• Norway
  
• Peru
  
• Philippines
  
• Romania
  
• Russia
  
• Slovenia
  
• South Africa
  
• Spain
  
• Sweden
  
• Switzerland
  
• Taiwan
  
• United Kingdom
  
• Uruguay
  
  It's just funny that the US decides to align its military policy with their so-called "Axis of Evil".
  
  

I'm just glad we're not on the same list as Belgium or Canada.

[BadBeast]

Throughout History, many of the most Elite Regiments, from the Spartans, to the SAS, have been largely, (if not exclusively)
comprised of Gay men.
They bond better, (as a Unit!) and are less likely to have ties outside of the Military. And who would you be  more likely to put your life on the line for? Your fellow Squaddy, or your fellow Squaddy, who also happens to be your lover?

Brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "Fire in the hole!"