Sometimes this place reminds me of a Starbucks.

[Cain]

It should be a book, mind you - I've saved as many of the sequences, in order, as possible, and the text file is 273 pages long, at 121,590 words.

And I still have a fair way to go.

But yes, details are highly useful.

[Cramulus]

We should probably get a thread about that stuff, been meaning to read it ever since Kai linked to that awesome "semantic stopsign" article. I'd love to have some people point out the juiciest bits.

[Captain Utopia]

And Cram, it would seem the CU's thesis isn't a bad one, it's just lacking in rubber-meets-the-road pragmatics.

I really am unsure as to which questions I've left unanswered, I tried to answer everything which came my way, and I thought I did.  So there's now a thread here for that very purpose.

[Cain]

We should probably get a thread about that stuff, been meaning to read it ever since Kai linked to that awesome "semantic stopsign" article. I'd love to have some people point out the juiciest bits.

This one is free http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=25623.0

[Doktor Howl]

I didn't think CU had promised us the answer to solving all of our culture's problems. the way I read it, he was pointing out a spot that positive change could come through; a new use of technology which he thinks has a lot of potential. I think it's a little off to compare PD to Starbucks because CU hasn't been running IRL trials yet, or can't predict exactly how it'll end. As much as the "UR EATING THE MENU" talk is a frustrating way of communicating, I'm also getting kind of jaded by the "You cannot succeed, humanity is dooooomed" response to anybody with a shred of optimism.

1.  I know, I was just being a prick.

2.  Other than Charley the other day, I don't remember anyone having that attitude (and I'm not even sure I'm reading him right).  Humanity is in trouble, I don't think anyone disagrees (?), but the situation isn't hopeless.  But I'm pretty certain that allowing computers to do all of our thinking for us - or ANY of our thinking for us, beyond number crunching - is a solution, regardless of how high-level you're looking at the situation.  Nor do I think that re-introducing a failed concept (large scale direct democracy) is a solution. 

Looking at things critically isn't the same as doom-wailing, and pie-in-the-sky jabbering about how the internet will save us all isn't realistic.

Just saying.

[Adios]

I am out of the conversation.

[Doktor Howl]

I am out of the conversation.

Well, like I said, I'm still not sure I was reading you right.

[Cramulus]

I think you guys were agreeing with each other at the top of your lungs 

[Adios]

I am out of the conversation.

Well, like I said, I'm still not sure I was reading you right.

You weren't. I was in my own sick way trying to get some kind of detail or plan. Otherwise it just smells like some hippy shit about change for the sake of change.

[Doktor Howl]

I think you guys were agreeing with each other at the top of your lungs 

[Adios]

I think you guys were agreeing with each other at the top of your lungs 

[Doktor Howl]

I am out of the conversation.

Well, like I said, I'm still not sure I was reading you right.

You weren't. I was in my own sick way trying to get some kind of detail or plan. Otherwise it just smells like some hippy shit about change for the sake of change.

That's been my problem.  As LMNO said, there's big picture folks, and detail folks.

I guess I'm detail oriented.  Comes with the trade I'm in.

[Dysfunctional Cunt]

It was a "paint set".  The analogy between giving you a painting and describing a paint set is that when describing E-Democracy, it's not about creating a system that has all the answers built-in, but creating a system which can be used to generate answers more effectively.

Close enough.  Still a ripoff of "teach a man to fish", etc.

Now I did provide an answer for every doubt or criticism which was raised - other than single-handedly completing the entire set of international E-Democracy projects in the space of a few minutes, I'll not be able to "show you the goods".. but I think that is an unreasonable criteria to judge me by.

As far as I can tell, you typed for two days and didn't actually say anything.  You may have a bright future in Alaska politics.

Now is his chance to refudiate that statement....... 

However, as a whole, I'm a lot like the Dok, I like details, it helps me to understand the point without creating my own tangent that really doesn't match anything the original poster was trying to say.  For me, it's because I'm well aware I just don't "get it" a lot of time.

Also, this thread did not deliver my venti caramel frappacino with a shot of expresso....