Sometimes this place reminds me of a Starbucks.

[Doktor Howl]

This doesn't apply to all - or even most - posters, and no poster ALL THE TIME, but I'm noticing the return of a trend that used to occur in Think For Yourself, Schmuck, and now is happening in OKM and AT.  The Starbucks post.

You know the one...The pretentious, art-fart post that uses jargon and vagueness to hide the fact that nothing is actually being said by that person.  Just like if you are dumb enough to sit down with your coffee in a Starbucks, you'll be punished by being forced to hear some gasbag go on and on about the genius of Ayn Rand, or the glories of the free market...Made worse by the fact that the hipster in question doesn't actually know what he's talking about.

When called on this shit, the ballerina act begins.  Word definitions get all stretchy, or they'll argue that they're "just showing you the toolbox", etc, when asked for concrete examples of their mummery...Which, after 4 pages of trying to cut through the verbal fog they've generated, is enough to drive an otherwise rational man to mayhem.

Now, far be it from me to say that a person shouldn't post, but I reserve the right to sneer condescendingly and act like an asshole.

I think we can all agree that's fair.

Okay for now,
Dok

[The Wizard]

Are you referring to me?

[Doktor Howl]

Are you referring to me?

Nope.  I was specifically referring to Captain Utopia, for failing to deliver the goods.

But it's also a general trend I've noticed.

[The Wizard]

Nope.  I was specifically referring to Captain Utopia, for failing to deliver the goods.

But it's also a general trend I've noticed.

Okay. Haven't really noticed myself, but go figure. When did Captain Utopia not deliver goods? Link?

[Captain Utopia]

or they'll argue that they're "just showing you the toolbox",

It was a "paint set".  The analogy between giving you a painting and describing a paint set is that when describing E-Democracy, it's not about creating a system that has all the answers built-in, but creating a system which can be used to generate answers more effectively.

Now I did provide an answer for every doubt or criticism which was raised - other than single-handedly completing the entire set of international E-Democracy projects in the space of a few minutes, I'll not be able to "show you the goods".. but I think that is an unreasonable criteria to judge me by.

[Doktor Howl]

Nope.  I was specifically referring to Captain Utopia, for failing to deliver the goods.

But it's also a general trend I've noticed.

Okay. Haven't really noticed myself, but go figure. When did Captain Utopia not deliver goods? Link?

One of your two threads.  I asked him for concrete examples of how his system will work, and he said "I'm just giving you a paint set".

Then he spun around until the heels of his shoes melted.

DID NOT DELIVER.

Reminds me of TFYS, back in the day.  If you asked anyone a question they couldn't answer, they'd start jabbering about how you were "eating the menu", etc.

[Doktor Howl]

It was a "paint set".  The analogy between giving you a painting and describing a paint set is that when describing E-Democracy, it's not about creating a system that has all the answers built-in, but creating a system which can be used to generate answers more effectively.

Close enough.  Still a ripoff of "teach a man to fish", etc.

Now I did provide an answer for every doubt or criticism which was raised - other than single-handedly completing the entire set of international E-Democracy projects in the space of a few minutes, I'll not be able to "show you the goods".. but I think that is an unreasonable criteria to judge me by.

As far as I can tell, you typed for two days and didn't actually say anything.  You may have a bright future in Alaska politics.

[Jasper]

It's a lot easier to figure out what you think by talking to people than it is to puzzle it out alone, so I tend to let things slide.

[The Wizard]

It was a "paint set".

Oh, I remember this.

[Doktor Howl]

It was a "paint set".

Oh, I remember this.

FAILURE TO DELIVER.

[Doktor Howl]

It's a lot easier to figure out what you think by talking to people than it is to puzzle it out alone, so I tend to let things slide.

Well, I am letting things slide.  I'm not spagging up Semaj's thread with this, after all.

But it gets wearisome, like listening to the engineer at work using "paradigm" wrong.  Know what I mean?

[Captain Utopia]

Nope.  I was specifically referring to Captain Utopia, for failing to deliver the goods.

But it's also a general trend I've noticed.

Okay. Haven't really noticed myself, but go figure. When did Captain Utopia not deliver goods? Link?

One of your two threads.  I asked him for concrete examples of how his system will work, and he said "I'm just giving you a paint set".

Then he spun around until the heels of his shoes melted.

DID NOT DELIVER.

This is the post in question:
  http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=25770.msg899442#msg899442

You did not ask me for a concrete example, you asked me how many real world application trials I had personally done.

[Doktor Howl]

Nope.  I was specifically referring to Captain Utopia, for failing to deliver the goods.

But it's also a general trend I've noticed.

Okay. Haven't really noticed myself, but go figure. When did Captain Utopia not deliver goods? Link?

One of your two threads.  I asked him for concrete examples of how his system will work, and he said "I'm just giving you a paint set".

Then he spun around until the heels of his shoes melted.

DID NOT DELIVER.

This is the post in question:
  http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=25770.msg899442#msg899442

You did not ask me for a concrete example, you asked me how many real world application trials I had personally done.

GREAT POINT!  BECAUSE A REAL WORLD APPLICATION ISN'T ANYTHING LIKE A CONCRETE EXAMPLE.

[Jasper]

It's a lot easier to figure out what you think by talking to people than it is to puzzle it out alone, so I tend to let things slide.

Well, I am letting things slide.  I'm not spagging up Semaj's thread with this, after all.

But it gets wearisome, like listening to the engineer at work using "paradigm" wrong.  Know what I mean?

I wasn't aware of a correct way, it not being the 90's anymore. 

[Doktor Howl]

It's a lot easier to figure out what you think by talking to people than it is to puzzle it out alone, so I tend to let things slide.

Well, I am letting things slide.  I'm not spagging up Semaj's thread with this, after all.

But it gets wearisome, like listening to the engineer at work using "paradigm" wrong.  Know what I mean?

I wasn't aware of a correct way, it not being the 90's anymore. 

USING COMMUNICATION TO KEEP IDEAS AWAY SINCE 1996!