Kill the Culture and Burn the Pulpit Part 2: Cultural Change

[Captain Utopia]

When?  You've been taking pot-shots at me for over a week now, ever since the E-Democracy thread started.

This was coming sooner or later, so don't pretend you didn't want or create it.

Oh, okay.  Taking shots at "your" idea = personal attacks.  Sorry, I didn't realize you were a complete fanatic.

That's not what I'm talking about and you know it.

2.  I've had plenty of debates here without raging out.

So why did you decide to pick a fight with me last night?

Mixed metaphors aside, this is exactly what happened ITT when I expressed dissatisfaction with your "Go kill yourself" response to a 8-post n00b, who wasn't causing any trouble at all.

The insistence that individuals don't exist is both ridiculous and cowardly.  The answer I handed her is the answer she deserved for that statement.

And because being civil and respectful to someone whose reasoning you perhaps don't comprehend, in an effort to discover exactly where they are coming from, is way too much trouble for someone like you.

You personally dared me to provide detail to my thoughts regarding E-Democracy.  I called your bluff, which resulted in that thread of the same name.  I answered questions which people had until it became obvious that everybody still posting had already made up their minds.

How many threads?   

One thread.

Since creating the E-Democracy thread, I didn't mention or allude to the concept anywhere else - until now.  As much as you'd like to paint me as a fanatic, I haven't even posted there since Saturday.

That is a fact you can easily check.

This is your obsession, not mine.

The only people butthurt by the E-Democracy thread were those who stomped in there, thought they saw an easy target, and utterly failed to convincingly pick it apart.  Hello.

You spun like a fucking ballerina.

Not at all.  Some good points were raised with regards anonymity and accessibility, but for me the thread was about discovering problems and crafting solutions, and it was remarkably successful on that front.

[Doktor Howl]

It's a pretty wild point of view. I enjoy the motion to kill the ego and defeat the self, it helps me detach from bullshit ego games.

I'm philosophically opposed to that, but I understand it.

[Doktor Howl]

Chapter 61
A successful cabal is like a dust cloud,
arriving from nowhere,
ungraspable,
and fading into nothingness.
The tallest blade of grass gets cut,
while the crab grass creeps unharmed.
Keep your head down.
Keep your fucking mouth shut.

Thus by concentrating on goals
without playing ego games,
much can be accomplished.
If all you want to do
is brag about how cool you are,
you might want learn to play the guitar, instead.

Sort of plays into the KYFMS rule, if I'm understanding it correctly.

[The Wizard]

Can you honestly say that you would have been so quick to call out an idea as "bullshit" if it had come from Rog?  Or any other established regular, for that matter?

Yes, if I thought the idea was bullshit I would say so. In all honesty, most of the ideas I've read presented here I either like or find at least find interesting. But in this case I thought the idea was bullshit, so I fucking said so!  I also gave reason and examples of why I thought the idea was bullshit. Whenever Doloras comes back, I'll be looking forward to the response.

In reading Doloras' blog, I have no doubt that the reply will be a good one. What I do doubt is that he needs you to protect his oh so sensitive feelings. And if you can find any evidence of me ever being afraid of anyone on this board, than please, by all means, show it to me. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. I have no interest in getting involved in you and Dok's argument. But if you ever try to use me as an example to prove some bullshit point again, I will show you what rage really is.

Now fuck off.

[Doktor Howl]

Poor Captain.  It seems the helpless victims he has decided to save aren't as helpless as he wished.   

[Captain Utopia]

ETA:  But that's corollary to the point that you used the fact that Charley agreed with Dok Howl against him, which is somewhat poor form, even in the lax debate conduct standards we have here.

It wasn't aimed at Dok Howl.  It was against Charley who, on about 5-6 occasions now has stayed out of the debate until Doc Howl lays the first blow, then he'll run in with a quick follow up attack.  It's the sort of thing you tend to notice when you're on the bottom of a dogpile.

I'm awake now asshole

Sticks and stones, etc.

You claim in the E thread you countered all questions when you never did.

I did answer all questions.  I took liberty not to repeat myself when the same question was asked again and again without addressing my response, but I dodged nothing.  Not that it matters.

Not that you'd know either, since you demonstrated that reading the OP or even the posts in the thread was something beneath you, and much less fun than trolling with one-liners.

So take your fucking cult leader yapping and go out in the yard with it puppy.

The "cult leader" thing is an intentional strawman, I didn't say it, allude to it, or think it.

[Captain Utopia]

Poor Captain.  It seems the helpless victims he has decided to save aren't as helpless as he wished.   

Fuck off with your "helpless victims" routine.  This is what I wrote, and I stand by it.

I was rather looking forward to seeing why Doloras was convinced that the other side of the coin didn't exist.

If someone expresses an idea forcefully, while thinking something through, is that enough of an excuse to jump down their throat and call their ideas bullshit?  What's the problem with asking someone why they believe something, rather than straight-out mocking them for it?  What's the problem with handling disagreements with civility and respect?

I don't see anything offensive in Doloras' 8-post history that justifies that treatment.

[Doktor Howl]

As for Delores, et al, I consider kid gloves an insult, unless the person I am dealing with is obviously very young, or mentally/emotionally deficient.

So I rage when I feel the need to.  Life is tough, wear a hat.

[Adios]

Something is seriously wrong with you. I don't know or even care what it is. What I do know is other people disagreeing with one of your ideas results in you suffering this kind of extreme butthurt then perhaps you are in the wrong place.

Maybe an nice fluffy Unicorn pagan board?

I thought your idea in the E thread was without merit and potentially dangerous. I disagreed with it. You pitched a little bitch fit and cried. Get a helmet.

The utter bullshit you posted in this thread is beyond belief. It is like you have simply decided to troll PD now. Go ahead, we have seen it over and over.

Bye.

[Captain Utopia]

As for Delores, et al, I consider kid gloves an insult, unless the person I am dealing with is obviously very young, or mentally/emotionally deficient.

So I rage when I feel the need to.  Life is tough, wear a hat.

Fair enough.  Likewise, I'll comment if I think it's excessive.

Something is seriously wrong with you. I don't know or even care what it is. What I do know is other people disagreeing with one of your ideas results in you suffering this kind of extreme butthurt then perhaps you are in the wrong place.

Maybe an nice fluffy Unicorn pagan board?

I thought your idea in the E thread was without merit and potentially dangerous. I disagreed with it. You pitched a little bitch fit and cried. Get a helmet.

Blah blah blah.

The utter bullshit you posted in this thread is beyond belief. It is like you have simply decided to troll PD now. Go ahead, we have seen it over and over.

No, Roger picked a fight with me, and you jumped right the fuck in.  This is not me trolling PD.com, but nice try.

[Captain Utopia]

In reading Doloras' blog, I have no doubt that the reply will be a good one. What I do doubt is that he needs you to protect his oh so sensitive feelings. And if you can find any evidence of me ever being afraid of anyone on this board, than please, by all means, show it to me. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. I have no interest in getting involved in you and Dok's argument. But if you ever try to use me as an example to prove some bullshit point again, I will show you what rage really is.

Now fuck off.

Yeah, that's not what I was trying to say, but it did totally come out that way.  Sorry about that.

[The Wizard]

Yeah, that's not what I was trying to say, but it did totally come out that way.  Sorry about that.

I don't care. Just don't repeat the mistake. Understand?

[Doktor Howl]

No, Roger picked a fight with me, and you jumped right the fuck in.  This is not me trolling PD.com, but nice try.

1.  Perhaps he simply agreed with me.  We curmudgeony old men are like that.

2.  Really?  You already stated that you're here because we're doin' it wrong (spurious claims of "doom & gloom", IIRC).

[Doktor Howl]

Dr Semaj also has a better avatar, which renders CU's arguments invalid.

Pulp action heroes FTW.

[Adios]

As for Delores, et al, I consider kid gloves an insult, unless the person I am dealing with is obviously very young, or mentally/emotionally deficient.

So I rage when I feel the need to.  Life is tough, wear a hat.

Fair enough.  Likewise, I'll comment if I think it's excessive.

Something is seriously wrong with you. I don't know or even care what it is. What I do know is other people disagreeing with one of your ideas results in you suffering this kind of extreme butthurt then perhaps you are in the wrong place.

Maybe an nice fluffy Unicorn pagan board?

I thought your idea in the E thread was without merit and potentially dangerous. I disagreed with it. You pitched a little bitch fit and cried. Get a helmet.

Blah blah blah.

The utter bullshit you posted in this thread is beyond belief. It is like you have simply decided to troll PD now. Go ahead, we have seen it over and over.

No, Roger picked a fight with me, and you jumped right the fuck in.  This is not me trolling PD.com, but nice try.

And that is exactly what your responses in that thread read like. As a matter of fact, it's exactly what your responses in this thread read like.

I think you are no longer worth my time. Please feel free to get butthurt from me ignoring you from here on out.