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Started by Cuddlefish, August 05, 2010, 05:36:52 PM

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Bruno

Formerly something else...

BadBeast

#31
The Greeks called it Eros, (physical love, shagging, BJs, etc) and Thanatos, (The other, more general kind)

edit: But I can also roll with the "Tiny robuts in ur brane" school of thought.
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Cuddlefish

Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 05, 2010, 06:37:43 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:32:19 PM
Quote from: Rev. What's-His-Name? on August 05, 2010, 06:31:16 PM
:facepalm:

That's funny and all, but use your words please.

For fuck's sake, there ARE different kinds of love.  I love my daughter, I love my son, I love my Mom, I love my wife.

Is all of that love exactly the same?  Of course the fuck not.  

Trying to define love in a way that is applicable to a spouse, child, AND parents and other relatives is trying to hammer a square peg into a round hole.

No need to get uptight. I wasn't attacking you.

Also, I'm not really asserting anything. Just wanted to see how you guys weigh in on the subject.

Quote from: Ratatosk on August 05, 2010, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 06:06:33 PM
Please, correct me if I'm mistaken, but wouldn't the claim that there are different types of love, cheapen other types of love?

"I love only you, my wife." "I love you, my friends."

But I thought you said you loved only me? You may love me, but you love others more.

MaYbe I'M nOt gettinG it...


Its a modeling issue... In English, we use one symbol for many concepts. The Greeks, on the other hand had many symbols, each for a specific concept of love.

Erotic love is different (in feeling, psychological impact etc) than friendship love, or love of family (parents/children etc) and all of those are different than principled love eg. love for your fellow man/love for your country etc.



Yes
A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?

Captain Utopia

Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
No need to get uptight. I wasn't attacking you.

I get this treatment too.  We are little fish, not worthy of respect.  We haven't earned his love yet.

BadBeast

The thing that screwed it all up for us in general, was the Medieval nonsense that was/is Romantic, or Courtly Love.
Even now, people still fall for that "Eyes across a crowded room", "Her heart fluttered across her pale, swelling bosom" and other types of Bullshit.
Romantic Love took people's healthy, natural feelings of lust, and hardwired  into our feeble, uneducated branes, that this was "love", and therefore a Holy thing, that needed to be affirmed in Courtship,  sappy Madrigals, for Lute and voice, or Love Sonnets, in rhyming pentameter, and culminating in Marriage, in the sight of God.
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

LMNO

I think you may actually be asking a Linguistic question.  The cunning linguists on the board may be able to do this better, but...

In our language, we use "love" as an abstract, and then qualify it as needed ("sexual love", "emotional love", "familial love", "stupid love", "spiritual love", et al).  

Your insistence that we need one definition for love, and then to wonder why we use that word for multiple contexts seems to ignore how our language is structured in this case.

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: BadBeast on August 05, 2010, 07:40:49 PM
The Greeks called it Eros, (physical love, shagging, BJs, etc) and Thanatos, (The other, more general kind)

edit: But I can also roll with the "Tiny robuts in ur brane" school of thought.

Eros - As you said
Stor'ge - Parents and kids
Philia - Between brothers/best friends
Agape - Principled Love

Thanatos is a reference to death...
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 05, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
I think you may actually be asking a Linguistic question.  The cunning linguists on the board may be able to do this better, but...
:lmnuendo:
- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

LMNO


BadBeast

Shit, Sorry folks, getting my Olde Englishe mixed up again.
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Cuddlefish

Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 05, 2010, 07:50:52 PM
I think you may actually be asking a Linguistic question.  The cunning linguists on the board may be able to do this better, but...

In our language, we use "love" as an abstract, and then qualify it as needed ("sexual love", "emotional love", "familial love", "stupid love", "spiritual love", et al).  

Your insistence that we need one definition for love, and then to wonder why we use that word for multiple contexts seems to ignore how our language is structured in this case.

Is true. Like I said, I just wanted to hear some different opinions.
A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?

Bebek Sincap Ratatosk

Quote from: Doktor Alphapance on August 05, 2010, 07:56:35 PM
Quote from: Ratatosk on August 05, 2010, 07:53:19 PM
Thanatos is a reference to death...

The "little death"?

No... the dessicated kind... Thanatos was a mythological character from the Illiad. He was one of Eris' brothers too (Son of Nyx). And he was a representation of death in the dying/decaying sense. Not the 'la petite mort'. :)

- I don't see race. I just see cars going around in a circle.

"Back in my day, crazy meant something. Now everyone is crazy" - Charlie Manson

Cuddlefish

Quote from: Captain Dystopia on August 05, 2010, 07:50:11 PM
Quote from: Cuddlefish on August 05, 2010, 07:41:04 PM
No need to get uptight. I wasn't attacking you.

I get this treatment too.  We are little fish, not worthy of respect.  We haven't earned his love yet.

That's good to hear. I've experienced this two days in a row in different topics, and I was beginning to think he just didn't like me  :p
A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?

maphdet

I agree with most of the posts-there can be different kinds of love.

But for the most part, I define love as the feeling of unconditional respect and admiration for another person or even thing for that matter.
I am sure there are objects that people love whether out of materialistic obsession or a special memory or such that that object held to the person.

I wish I was in Tijuana
Eating barbequed iguana-

Cuddlefish

Quote from: Jerry_Frankster on August 05, 2010, 07:24:44 PM
Tiny robuts in ur brane

I knew it! Someone get me some magnets! That'll teach those fuckers...
A fisher of men, or a manner of fish?