The "WTC Mosque" hysteria, in a nutshell

[Cain]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

[Jenne]

Latest on the chopping block is Amendment XIV, I think. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/02/jon-kyl-repeal-14th-amendment-immigrants_n_667098.html  You know, because of Terra Babbies.

[Doktor Howl]

That's a gut-reaction without thinking about it. I admit I am not the most enlightened person ever, and the fact that I identify as a "Discordian" really doesn't automatically separate me from anybody else.

Yes, it does.  We're better than they are.

I'm still an American

I'm sorry.

and I still remember seeing what happened on 9/11, and I still carry some residual associations with respect to Islam, as uninformed and ignorant as they may be. That was the point of my post -- that the principles of what used to be called America stand higher and are more noble than many people or their daily ideas or long-held beliefs. What I was illustrating was that at least I can recognize that my gut instincts should not be manifested in law or governmental decree at the expense of other people's rights to live as they choose.

Like I said, we're better.  It's really that simple.

That I think the mosque is insensitive in some ways is irrelevant, and that irrelevance is what I am trying to emphasize.

The fact that you think it's a mosque is what I'm on about, here.  I realize what you're saying, and you are correct in principle.  However, you are operating on false data in the particulars.  Happens to the best of us...Hell, I can't count the number of times Nigel and Jenne have jerked me up short when I was spewing a truism.

[Thurnez Isa]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

So, the propaganda about the "mosque" even works on Discordians.

I find the whole notion of athiests and supposed "rationalists" caught up in the propaganda hilarious.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/08/athiests-and-the-mosque.html

[Doktor Howl]

Latest on the chopping block is Amendment XIV, I think. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/02/jon-kyl-repeal-14th-amendment-immigrants_n_667098.html  You know, because of Terra Babbies.

Amendment XIV has BEEN on the chopping block.  You don't hang out with enough scumbags, Jenne.

And fuck you very much, Jon Kyl.  Arizona was embarrassing enough, already.

[Jenne]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

So, the propaganda about the "mosque" even works on Discordians.

What a hideous notion.

That's a gut-reaction without thinking about it. I admit I am not the most enlightened person ever, and the fact that I identify as a "Discordian" really doesn't automatically separate me from anybody else. I'm still an American and I still remember seeing what happened on 9/11, and I still carry some residual associations with respect to Islam, as uninformed and ignorant as they may be. That was the point of my post -- that the principles of what used to be called America stand higher and are more noble than many people or their daily ideas or long-held beliefs. What I was illustrating was that at least I can recognize that my gut instincts should not be manifested in law or governmental decree at the expense of other people's rights to live as they choose.

That I think the mosque is insensitive in some ways is irrelevant, and that irrelevance is what I am trying to emphasize.

But what if someone says to you, "Bullshit, it's not insensitive"?

I want to know HOW it's "insensitive" to have a religious center near the 9/11 site.  Muslims died at that spot who had nothing to do with the hijackers.

So the Muslim survivors are insensitive for freely using their RIGHTS as Americans?   The next extrapolatable point is "But they're not RLY FR RLS Americans if they're Muslim!"

[Adios]

Latest on the chopping block is Amendment XIV, I think. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/02/jon-kyl-repeal-14th-amendment-immigrants_n_667098.html  You know, because of Terra Babbies.

Amendment XIV has BEEN on the chopping block.  You don't hang out with enough scumbags, Jenne.

And fuck you very much, Jon Kyl.  Arizona was embarrassing enough, already.

Yes it has. This cry is nothing new.

[Jenne]

Latest on the chopping block is Amendment XIV, I think. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/02/jon-kyl-repeal-14th-amendment-immigrants_n_667098.html  You know, because of Terra Babbies.

Amendment XIV has BEEN on the chopping block.  You don't hang out with enough scumbags, Jenne.

And fuck you very much, Jon Kyl.  Arizona was embarrassing enough, already.

Tr00f.  To all 3 points.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

That's a gut-reaction without thinking about it. I admit I am not the most enlightened person ever, and the fact that I identify as a "Discordian" really doesn't automatically separate me from anybody else.

Yes, it does.  We're better than they are.

I'm still an American

I'm sorry.

and I still remember seeing what happened on 9/11, and I still carry some residual associations with respect to Islam, as uninformed and ignorant as they may be. That was the point of my post -- that the principles of what used to be called America stand higher and are more noble than many people or their daily ideas or long-held beliefs. What I was illustrating was that at least I can recognize that my gut instincts should not be manifested in law or governmental decree at the expense of other people's rights to live as they choose.

Like I said, we're better.  It's really that simple.

That I think the mosque is insensitive in some ways is irrelevant, and that irrelevance is what I am trying to emphasize.

The fact that you think it's a mosque is what I'm on about, here.  I realize what you're saying, and you are correct in principle.  However, you are operating on false data in the particulars.  Happens to the best of us...Hell, I can't count the number of times Nigel and Jenne have jerked me up short when I was spewing a truism.

In that case I shall defer not to my gut.

[Jenne]

The fact that you think it's a mosque is what I'm on about, here.  I realize what you're saying, and you are correct in principle.  However, you are operating on false data in the particulars.  Happens to the best of us...Hell, I can't count the number of times Nigel and Jenne have jerked me up short when I was spewing a truism.

Pshaw.  I does not.    

[Cain]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

Building on this, I want to abolish the DHS and instead set up "the Department for Trolling Al-Qaeda, and Miscellanious Other Nusiances of a Sub-state Variety", or the DTAQMONSSV for short.  It's remit is that it would have the full authority of the President and Congress to do anything likely to cause targets under it's remit to bang their fists on tables and say, "fuck you, American pig-dog infidel, fuck you in the ass."  For instance, dropping pork hotdogs rather than bombs on suspected Al-Qaeda compounds, holding publically announced interfaith dialogue meetings, changing all the backgrounds on suspected terrorist computers to that of Playboy models...things like that.  Just fucking with them, 24/7.

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Personally I think the mosque borders on insensitive,

So, the propaganda about the "mosque" even works on Discordians.

What a hideous notion.

That's a gut-reaction without thinking about it. I admit I am not the most enlightened person ever, and the fact that I identify as a "Discordian" really doesn't automatically separate me from anybody else. I'm still an American and I still remember seeing what happened on 9/11, and I still carry some residual associations with respect to Islam, as uninformed and ignorant as they may be. That was the point of my post -- that the principles of what used to be called America stand higher and are more noble than many people or their daily ideas or long-held beliefs. What I was illustrating was that at least I can recognize that my gut instincts should not be manifested in law or governmental decree at the expense of other people's rights to live as they choose.

That I think the mosque is insensitive in some ways is irrelevant, and that irrelevance is what I am trying to emphasize.

But what if someone says to you, "Bullshit, it's not insensitive"?

I want to know HOW it's "insensitive" to have a religious center near the 9/11 site.  Muslims died at that spot who had nothing to do with the hijackers.

So the Muslim survivors are insensitive for freely using their RIGHTS as Americans?   The next extrapolatable point is "But they're not RLY FR RLS Americans if they're Muslim!"

Yeah, like I said, I don't have a good reason for feeling that way. I'm trying to express my recognition that my gut instincts are invalid in this case. It isn't about being right, it's about emotionalism. It's the same thing that's consuming the GOP and half the Democrats right now with this wave of bullshit over the Islamic Community Center ("mosque" is so much easier to type). I'm not going to say I feel good about a mosque near Ground Zero, but I will say that my feeling bad about it is incorrect.

[Jenne]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

The US Gov't is getting ready to send him on another peace mission.  The talking bobbleheads are saying this will cause an uproar.

This would be like his 3rd or 4th such mission. 

[Adios]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

The US Gov't is getting ready to send him on another peace mission.  The talking bobbleheads are saying this will cause an uproar.

This would be like his 3rd or 4th such mission. 

Oh shit. I may need to see what Rush says about this.

[Aucoq]

Feisal Abdul Rauf, the Imam who wants the centre built, is also probably somewhere between the President of Pakistan and the King of Saudi Arabia on the Muslim extremist hitlist. 

Walter Isaacson, head of The Aspen Institute, says Feisal "has participated at the Aspen Institute in Muslim-Christian-Jewish working groups looking at ways to promote greater religious tolerance. He has consistently denounced radical Islam and terrorism, and promoted a moderate and tolerant Islam."

I cant think of a better way of poking Al-Qaeda and their "lets start a clash of the civilizations" friends in the eye than letting him go right ahead.

Building on this, I want to abolish the DHS and instead set up "the Department for Trolling Al-Qaeda, and Miscellanious Other Nusiances of a Sub-state Variety", or the DTAQMONSSV for short.  It's remit is that it would have the full authority of the President and Congress to do anything likely to cause targets under it's remit to bang their fists on tables and say, "fuck you, American pig-dog infidel, fuck you in the ass."  For instance, dropping pork hotdogs rather than bombs on suspected Al-Qaeda compounds, holding publically announced interfaith dialogue meetings, changing all the backgrounds on suspected terrorist computers to that of Playboy models...things like that.  Just fucking with them, 24/7.

I love this.    I want to join the DTAQMONSSV and serve my country.