The "WTC Mosque" hysteria, in a nutshell

[Requia ☣]

Only until you understand the basic nature of America.  In America the funniest people go into politics, and the wisest people go into comedy.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

I didn't think Bush was very funny. Obama doesn't seem that hilarious either. Unless you're talking Will Ferrell/Adam Sandler funny. Which would explain why I don't get it. Heh. Intentional idiocy (even for the sake of comedy) annoys me.

. . . I have this sneaking suspicion in my gut that you speak true. :S

[AFK]

Never voting for these two clowns again. 

seriously. I'm going to use politicians reactions to this debacle as a voting guide in November.

So am I.

Just not sure which WAY.  Responsible vs Burn it all down.   

I can see that.  Maybe it's time for this sucker to bottom out. 

[Jenne]

The "culture" of Islam vs. the religious side of it is actually a factor in most of the educated and Westernized male Muslim populations, from what I can see from my husband's experience here in the US and Canada (as well as abroad in The Netherlands, Germany and the UK, where his relatives reside).  Islamist daily practices vary WIDELY amongst the different practitioners.  It seems to me that, especially with the men, they easily adapt to the lifestyle of those they are in and amongst and yet still maintain that they are in fact "Muslim."  The more orthodox of the population see these people as "bad Muslims," as they may drink, go to bars, date women outside their religion and culture (though the Qu'uran allows the men to marry Jews and Christians, but the women have to marry Muslims).

I can see this extending out to be a phenomenon used for convenience, since relying on Sharia seems to be the default for those Muslims who refuse to think for themselves, but yet are able to create a bevy of Bacha Bazis or engage in drug trade or make nice with Al Qaeda.

As for the now-infamous mosque, it's sad to me Obama had this chance to really stand firm on an issue and yet again he fucks it up by taking a strong stance one minute and then reverses himself the next.  Ugh.

[Cain]

I noticed it mostly with the Saudi boys I and others at the school were working with, especially the older ones.  They'd observe things like not eating pork, Ramadan etc, but you wouldn't catch them praying five times a day, and they were more likely to ogle a scantily clad woman than admonish her for improper dress (admittedly, these were teenage boys.  Hormones > 1400 year old book).  The girls would dress smartly, but rarely ever covered their hair or wore shapeless clothing that hid their body entirely.  They had absolutelly no problems accepting things like evolution and other advanced scientific concepts.  The boys had no problems taking orders or directions from women staff or anything like that either.

[LMNO]

So, pretty much like Easter/Christmas only Xtians.

[Jenne]

Cafeteria Muslims.

[Cain]

"Infidels and traitors to the faith, who shall be cleansed from the Ummah, Allah willing"

[tyrannosaurus vex]

I sincerely hope that the Right-Wing says so much inflammatory nonsense to energize their base that they accidentally energize everybody else in opposition to them.

Although, I'm still voting straight GOP this year, just to see how far we can take this.

So, pretty much like Easter/Christmas only Xtians.

What is a "Christtian" ?

[LMNO]

It's pronounced "Ecks'shanz", for your information.

[Jenne]

I sincerely hope that the Right-Wing says so much inflammatory nonsense to energize their base that they accidentally energize everybody else in opposition to them.

This is what worries me, though:  few seemed motivated against them.  More and more seem to come out as closet bigots who've obviously thought everyone who wasn't JUST LIKE THEM needs to burn in hell, be shot on sight, etc.  It's scary.  It really makes me hate people.

And then I hear of stories of the guy who stops along the highway every Tuesday to have a prayer session, and the people who heard about it so they go out every Tuesday and stop along the highway to do the same thing.  I'm glad they can exercise their rights by praying in public,  but can you imagine what would happen if a group of Muslims--no, fuck that--a group of Hari Krishnas got out there and did the same thing?  They'd shit bricks.  Often, and loudly.

[Doktor Howl]

This is what worries me, though:  few seemed motivated against them.  More and more seem to come out as closet bigots who've obviously thought everyone who wasn't JUST LIKE THEM needs to burn in hell, be shot on sight, etc.  It's scary.  It really makes me hate people.

That's the loud ones.  If the country really felt that way, McCain/Palin would have won.

[Cain]

Even Liberty McLiberal Howard Dean now says the "mosque" should be built elsewhere.  A political consensus is forming, but it's one which favours the bigots and idiots.

[Doktor Howl]

Even Liberty McLiberal Howard Dean now says the "mosque" should be built elsewhere.  A political consensus is forming, but it's one which favours the bigots and idiots.

Yeah, well, fuck Screamin' Howie Dean, too.

I used to like him.   

[Cain]

Feingold still says the Muslim community centre is cool.  So at least there is that.