The "WTC Mosque" hysteria, in a nutshell

[Iason Ouabache]

Allowing people to have religious freedom is decadence? Not being afraid of terrorists is now cowardice?   

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??? This mosque will not affect 99.5% of people once it is built. Why are we allowing xenophobic assholes and cynical politicians to drive us off of a cliff?

[tyrannosaurus vex]

Allowing people to have religious freedom is decadence? Not being afraid of terrorists is now cowardice?   

Seriously WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE??? This mosque will not affect 99.5% of people once it is built. Why are we allowing xenophobic assholes and cynical politicians to drive us off of a cliff?

Because America is xenophobic assholes and cynical politicians. If you missed that memo, I'm afraid this century is just going to make you sad.

Unlike me. I'm gagging on the hilarity over here.

[Bruno]

Seeing as one of the biggest contributors to the Cordoba House project also owns 7% of Fox news, who is clearly profiting from the controversy that they have created over their mosque,  maybe we should start calling it the Fox News Mosque.

[Thurnez Isa]

check thetreeofliberty forum I have linked my "at least this will be entertaining" thread
some of the hardcores are turning from Fox News cause a Saudi prince has bought a sizable minority in Newscorp.

The Saudi Prince buying part of Fox News is complete Machiavellian brilliance in my opinion. Expect more of this Anti-Muslim nonsense and almost nothing on legitimate complaints on the powers that be in the Islamic world. "They have to be harsh with their citizens, after all their all terrorists remember."

[Jenne]

I hate to keep beating the "Jon Stewart" drum on this, but he gave a totally awesome run-down of that, Fox News Style.

[Thurnez Isa]

I usually don't watch Steward cause I'm not the biggest comedy fan, but I watched last night and he was just giving it to the former Illinois governor. I was thinking, "why the fuck can't real reporters do that anymore?" Then I answered myself, "they're not real reporters."

[Jenne]

...neither is he.  He just plays one on tv.

[Thurnez Isa]

http://www.amvalues.org/eod/?p=399

Liberal talking heads often suggest that opposition to the mosque at Ground Zero is just thinly veiled bigotry. They contend that the opponents of the mosque would oppose the construction of a mosque anywhere, and ask rhetorically, "How large should the mosque-free buffer zone around Ground Zero be?"

I've thought about that question, and here's my suggested compromise: Back up the mosque one yard for every life that was lost at Ground Zero on 9/11. Three thousand lives lost equals three thousand yards away. If the organizers of the Ground Zero mosque would accept that compromise, the controversy would be over.

well I'm glad that cleared it up

Also do you subtract yards for each Muslim life loss?




also Iran = Nazi Germany

Diplomacy is not always the less risky route. Neville Chamberlain's face-to-face meeting with Adolf Hitler accomplished little except to give the Nazis more time to build more weapons. The current commitment to diplomacy and outreach with Iran has done nothing more than give Iran more time to advance its nuclear program and install more sophisticated defenses.

Like the American hikers who have been held for over a year now, Iran's operational nuclear reactor and its "ambassador of death" are the fruit of a weak foreign policy. And just as the West came to regret ignoring Hitler more 70 years ago, there is tremendous risk in ignoring Iran's Holocaust-denying dictator today.

[Prince Glittersnatch III]

http://www.amvalues.org/eod/?p=399

Liberal talking heads often suggest that opposition to the mosque at Ground Zero is just thinly veiled bigotry. They contend that the opponents of the mosque would oppose the construction of a mosque anywhere, and ask rhetorically, "How large should the mosque-free buffer zone around Ground Zero be?"

I've thought about that question, and here's my suggested compromise: Back up the mosque one yard for every life that was lost at Ground Zero on 9/11. Three thousand lives lost equals three thousand yards away. If the organizers of the Ground Zero mosque would accept that compromise, the controversy would be over.

well I'm glad that cleared it up

Also do you subtract yards for each Muslim life loss?




also Iran = Nazi Germany

Diplomacy is not always the less risky route. Neville Chamberlain's face-to-face meeting with Adolf Hitler accomplished little except to give the Nazis more time to build more weapons. The current commitment to diplomacy and outreach with Iran has done nothing more than give Iran more time to advance its nuclear program and install more sophisticated defenses.

Like the American hikers who have been held for over a year now, Iran's operational nuclear reactor and its "ambassador of death" are the fruit of a weak foreign policy. And just as the West came to regret ignoring Hitler more 70 years ago, there is tremendous risk in ignoring Iran's Holocaust-denying dictator today.

I know by the west he means Merrka + Those-Godless-Europeans, but wasnt America pretty content to just let Hitler bomb everything for quite awhile? It wasnt Hitler we regretted ignoring it was those wacky Japanese.

[Cain]

Yes, but the same people who drone on forever about Chamberlain's "shameful capitulation" at Munich (because committing Britain to war at a time when it had virtually no air defenses, a land military unable to compete with Germany's and no guarantee of Soviet or French help would've been the smart and moral move) also tend to think FDR was a fascist dictator in everything but name.

Neoconservatives actually tend to idolize Churchill.  Whom, it should be remembered, was thundering on about the German threat to Britain and the world during the Weimar Republic years.  Most people forget that while Churchill and Vansittart were right about Germany, it wasn't because they were prescient and analytic thinkers, it's because they had an irrational hatred of Germany and wanted to see the country crushed forever.  They were right, but for all the wrong reasons.  Churchill was also big into imperialism and the "white man's burden", which also causes Neocons to wet their pants when they think about him.  He also occasionally suggested wiping troublesome native tribes out, which endears him to the "kill the all" faction of the movement.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Yes, but the same people who drone on forever about Chamberlain's "shameful capitulation" at Munich (because committing Britain to war at a time when it had virtually no air defenses, a land military unable to compete with Germany's and no guarantee of Soviet or French help would've been the smart and moral move) also tend to think FDR was a fascist dictator in everything but name.

Neoconservatives actually tend to idolize Churchill.  Whom, it should be remembered, was thundering on about the German threat to Britain and the world during the Weimar Republic years.  Most people forget that while Churchill and Vansittart were right about Germany, it wasn't because they were prescient and analytic thinkers, it's because they had an irrational hatred of Germany and wanted to see the country crushed forever.  They were right, but for all the wrong reasons.  Churchill was also big into imperialism and the "white man's burden", which also causes Neocons to wet their pants when they think about him.  He also occasionally suggested wiping troublesome native tribes out, which endears him to the "kill the all" faction of the movement.

Well that was before Glen Beck changed History.

[Cain]

Glenn Beck's online college thing teaches history, doesn't it?  I'd love to see a team of academic historians take that apart, piece by piece.

[Iason Ouabache]

Glenn Beck's online college thing teaches history, doesn't it?  I'd love to see a team of academic historians take that apart, piece by piece.

I haven't seen anyone covering the history classes but Chris Rodda has done a good job of taking apart David Barton's Faith classes from Beck U and a bunch of other claims that Beck has made about the religion of the founding fathers:

http://www.talk2action.org/user/Chris%20Rodda

[Requia ☣]

http://blogs.villagevoice.com/runninscared/archives/2010/07/cordoba_house_p.php

In Manhattan, only 36 percent of voters oppose the mosque, while 73 percent do in Staten Island. Queens (52 percent opposed), Brooklyn (57 percent) and the Bronx (57 percent) fall in between. There's also a big split between Democratic (45 percent) and Republican (82 percent) levels of opposition.

Fuck this country, fuck it in the ass.

[Cardinal Pizza Deliverance.]

Glenn Beck's online college thing teaches history, doesn't it?  I'd love to see a team of academic historians take that apart, piece by piece.

Apparently he teaches Faith 101, Hope 101, and Charity 101.

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/articles/article/198/42502/

Beck University is a unique academic experience bringing together experts in the fields of religion, American history and economics. Through captivating lectures and interactive online discussions, these experts will explore the concepts of Faith, Hope and Charity and show you how they influence America's past, her present and most importantly her future.

Why do I get the feeling that when this was written, 'Pomp and Circumstance' was playing in the background?