Liberaltarianism

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, hell.  

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

I think the point Dok Howl is making is that libertards believe a Free Market™ is even possible, and that if it existed, it would somehow solve all their problems.

But I don't want to put words in the good Doktor's mouth.

And here I was thinking this was a discussion about these "liberaltarians" that disagree with the 'completely unregulated' viewpoint.

Buy into monkey politics, and you're just one strain or another of monkey.

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Oh, hell.  

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

I think the point Dok Howl is making is that libertards believe a Free Market™ is even possible, and that if it existed, it would somehow solve all their problems.

But I don't want to put words in the good Doktor's mouth.

And here I was thinking this was a discussion about these "liberaltarians" that disagree with the 'completely unregulated' viewpoint.

Buy into monkey politics, and you're just one strain or another of monkey.

Discussing = buying into?

Besides, we're all one strain of monkey or another, even if the politics we buy into is not to buy into the other monkey politics... or something like that.

[Doktor Howl]

Discussing = buying into?

Besides, we're all one strain of monkey or another, even if the politics we buy into is not to buy into the other monkey politics... or something like that.

1.  Dancing Pickle is 169% Libertardian.  He's not simply discussing it, he's advocating it.

2.  Speak for yourself, simian.  My tail fell off in the 1980s.

[Disco Pickle]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

That's the point.  It doesn't exist, never has, never will.

Would it be so bad if it did?  If the state was out of the way in controlling the value of money and setting tariffs?  Allowing the free movement of people and capital over artificial borders to the places those people and capital are most in demand?  Get the state out of the business of giving one group of people privilege over another when exchanging goods through laws?  Letting companies that fail, actually fail?

I'm of the opinion you'd find that some people would choose to compete against each other for gain, and others would choose to cooporate for their shared good.  

I may be giving talking monkeys too much credit here, granted.  

Maybe we are just a bunch of freeloading shits out for our own good at the expense of others.  

I'm not, personally, but I could see where there would be people that would.

But that's not much different from what goes on now, except we socialize loss in our current system, where in a free(er) market, those fucks would be sleeping in the streets, as no one would do business with them.

I expect canonball size holes to be shot in this, so load em up, grab your flint locks and let fire.

[Doktor Howl]

Would it be so bad if it did?

Would it be so bad if pigs had wings?  I mean, sure, we'd all have to carry umbrellas, but think how neat it would be!

[Requia ☣]

The last time the state bought into the dropping tariffs game (NAFTA), 3 million people lost their jobs.  So yes, it would be that bad.

[Adios]

The last time the state bought into the dropping tariffs game (NAFTA), 3 million people lost their jobs.  So yes, it would be that bad.

Excuse me, but your facts are in his fantasy.

[Doktor Howl]

The last time the state bought into the dropping tariffs game (NAFTA), 3 million people lost their jobs.  So yes, it would be that bad.

And deregulation has worked so well in banking and oil drilling!

We could just be like Somalia, which is a free market paradise!  No nasty government leaning on industry!

[LMNO]

But that's not much different from what goes on now, except we socialize loss in our current system, where in a free(er) market, those fucks would be sleeping in the streets, as no one would do business with them.

As shown with the current economic woes, "those fucks" in the street would not be the CEOs, board members, or Presidents of companies.

"Those fucks" would be the innocent employees of the failed companies who are now jobless, and the thousands of people whose mortgages are fucked because of the actions of said executives.

In short, the punishment is not meted out among the criminals, but rather the victims.

[Disco Pickle]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

Well, we could start by de-regulating financial institutions. That should be a pretty good test.

Well you certainly let them fail when the idiots making the decisions fail as badly as they have.

you damn sure don't bail them out.

and really, it's fractional reserve banking that should take the blame.  With a full reserve requirement to lending, this problem would partially solve itself, as they could never be leveraged like they were.

but I did   

Oh, dear.  I bet you're a Ron Paul fan, right?

He's too old for me.  And his position on abortion doesn't jive with me, though I understand his reasons.  I agree with him on the war, the Americunt Empire, and Central Banking.  

Fan is short for fanatic, and I try never to be a fanatic about anything.  My opinions and beliefs are always fluid and can be changed with new information as I learn it.  Can't possibly have learned or read everything..  yet.

I am more of a Ludwig von Mises libertarian though.

It was cool hearing someone actually talk about currency in the last election.  I didn't vote for him though.  Poor guy didn't stand a chance.

[Disco Pickle]

The last time the state bought into the dropping tariffs game (NAFTA), 3 million people lost their jobs.  So yes, it would be that bad.

Nafta is managed trade.

certain people have an advantage.

and isn't this argument more of the DEY TOOK UURRR JERRBS mess?

[Doktor Howl]

Fan is short for fanatic, and I try never to be a fanatic about anything.  

Libertarians are by definition fanatics.

As proof, I offer Dok Alphapance's rebuttal, above.  If you weren't a fanatic, you'd have seen that yourself.

[Doktor Howl]

and isn't this argument more of the DEY TOOK UURRR JERRBS mess?

Holy shit.  I didn't realize you were a fucking idiot.  Sorry for bothering you.

[Disco Pickle]

But that's not much different from what goes on now, except we socialize loss in our current system, where in a free(er) market, those fucks would be sleeping in the streets, as no one would do business with them.

As shown with the current economic woes, "those fucks" in the street would not be the CEOs, board members, or Presidents of companies.

"Those fucks" would be the innocent employees of the failed companies who are now jobless, and the thousands of people whose mortgages are fucked because of the actions of said executives.

In short, the punishment is not meted out among the criminals, but rather the victims.

and the banks wouldnt have failed like they did with a reserve requirement closer to sanity.

the overleveraging wouldnt have been possible.

[Doktor Howl]

But that's not much different from what goes on now, except we socialize loss in our current system, where in a free(er) market, those fucks would be sleeping in the streets, as no one would do business with them.

As shown with the current economic woes, "those fucks" in the street would not be the CEOs, board members, or Presidents of companies.

"Those fucks" would be the innocent employees of the failed companies who are now jobless, and the thousands of people whose mortgages are fucked because of the actions of said executives.

In short, the punishment is not meted out among the criminals, but rather the victims.

and the banks wouldnt have failed like they did with a reserve requirement closer to sanity.

the overleveraging wouldnt have been possible.

Yeah, 1929 is on the phone for you.