Liberaltarianism

[Cramulus]

See this doesn't sound that bad. I can get behind a lot of the libertarian principles, and would be more amicable towards them if they dropped a lot of the right wing-conservative baggage and compromised with more liberal ideas.

[Disco Pickle]

Apparently there has been something of a mini-insurgency within American libertarianism of late to try and align with the political left, rather than right.

Good luck with that.  Last I heard, leftists aren't into allowing people to starve to death, which is part of the core beliefs of Libertarianism.

Apparently there has been something of a mini-insurgency within American libertarianism of late to try and align with the political left, rather than right.

Good luck with that.  Last I heard, leftists aren't into allowing people to starve to death, which is part of the core beliefs of Libertarianism.

In the linked articles... these guys are basically calling that out as bullshit. Here's a quote from E.D. Kain:

Countries like Denmark and Switzerland have very redistributive economies in spite of their extraordinarily free economies and hands-off approach to economic matters. In spite of may be the wrong way to phrase this. I believe that for a truly free market society to flourish, a redistributive state must exist alongside it.

http://www.balloon-juice.com/2010/08/26/markets-safety-nets-and-failure/

I can see their place in history having obvious social benefit in helping people to get back on their feet and reemployed, but I'm of the opinion that this should be a societal stepping stone that can eventually become obsolete as education on fiscal matters, money credit and it's use and abuse, personal responsibility for your own safety net and better planning is taught to our children at a much younger age.

If we had classes on debt and capital starting young and continuing all through grade school, I think you'd see a revolution in personal finance that would greatly reduce the need for welfare safety nets.


But what do I know, I just want people to starve.  Just the thought of it makes me want to  

See this doesn't sound that bad. I can get behind a lot of the libertarian principles, and would be more amicable towards them if they dropped a lot of the right wing-conservative baggage and compromised with more liberal ideas.

libertarians come in flavors the same way Republicrats and Democretins do..  From bat shit insane right leaning (cut off all welfare NOW!!!) to bat shit insane left leaning (legalize beastiality and ALL DRUGZZ!!) 

but the ones you wont hear from unless you go looking are much like myself: We lean heavy right on economics issues, banking, taxation, unending welfare.  But pretty much left aligned on social issues such as gay marriage (private contract is a private contract) and immigration, legalization of drugs that don't addict people into commiting crimes in order to get their drug, and ending the over seas empire.

the running theme is that the State can only cause harm when it gets involved in markets and legislating morality.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

[Adios]

[Requia ☣]

Yes, social safety nets are *totally* going to be obsolete in a country that's had 10%+ unemployment for three decades.  There are really jobs for everyone!

[Adios]

Yes, social safety nets are *totally* going to be obsolete in a country that's had 10%+ unemployment for three decades.  There are really jobs for everyone!

No there aren't, ALL THE BROWN PEOPLE TOOK THEM BACK TO MEXICO

[Disco Pickle]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

Yes, social safety nets are *totally* going to be obsolete in a country that's had 10%+ unemployment for three decades.  There are really jobs for everyone!

if not obsolete, at least less used.  Incidentally, I'm not so daft as to think you can have 100% employment, as you seem to imply.   Nor am I one of those heartless libertards who think the poor can suck it, there's obviously a need for some social welfare or it wouldn't be being utilized on the scale it has been for decades. 

I said that through much earlier education on things fiscal, and the teaching of fiscal responsability to generations of children, that you would see it being utilized less and less as people learn to become more reliant on their own ability and that of a much more financially secure family unit.  Would it ever be obsolete?  I don't really see that happening completely..  but we could certainly take steps that help make the need for it less and less.

Yes, social safety nets are *totally* going to be obsolete in a country that's had 10%+ unemployment for three decades.  There are really jobs for everyone!

No there aren't, ALL THE BROWN PEOPLE TOOK THEM BACK TO MEXICO

My son is one of those brown people (actually, he took after me and has light skin and blonde hair) and is currently living in Mexico.  I hope to one day get him away from his nutty mother and bring him here to the states so he can TAKE URRR JERRRBS!!

Or I'll set up shop down there within the decade..  haven't really decided yet.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

[Disco Pickle]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

[Adios]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

Well, we could start by de-regulating financial institutions. That should be a pretty good test.

[LMNO]

Oh, hell.  

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

I think the point Dok Howl is making is that libertards believe a Free Market™ is even possible, and that if it existed, it would somehow solve all their problems.

But I don't want to put words in the good Doktor's mouth.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

That's the point.  It doesn't exist, never has, never will.

[Disco Pickle]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

Well, we could start by de-regulating financial institutions. That should be a pretty good test.

Well you certainly let them fail when the idiots making the decisions fail as badly as they have.

you damn sure don't bail them out.

and really, it's fractional reserve banking that should take the blame.  With a full reserve requirement to lending, this problem would partially solve itself, as they could never be leveraged like they were.

but I did   

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Oh, hell.  

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

I think the point Dok Howl is making is that libertards believe a Free Market™ is even possible, and that if it existed, it would somehow solve all their problems.

But I don't want to put words in the good Doktor's mouth.

And here I was thinking this was a discussion about these "liberaltarians" that disagree with the 'completely unregulated' viewpoint.

[Doktor Howl]

Oh, hell.   

We have another libertard.

what do you do to us libertards here, grind us up and feed us to the poor and hungry?

just so we're clear, not saying im against it.

No, we just laugh at them for believing in The Free Market™, which is just as silly as communism.

The market aint so free in this or any other country.  In fact, I'm not sure it ever has been.

Well, we could start by de-regulating financial institutions. That should be a pretty good test.

Well you certainly let them fail when the idiots making the decisions fail as badly as they have.

you damn sure don't bail them out.

and really, it's fractional reserve banking that should take the blame.  With a full reserve requirement to lending, this problem would partially solve itself, as they could never be leveraged like they were.

but I did   

Oh, dear.  I bet you're a Ron Paul fan, right?