Liberaltarianism

[Disco Pickle]

I'm kinda fucked no matter which party.

So why not join the one that's philosophically opposed to universal civil liberties?   

at least there's a faction here I can agree with that wants the social conservatives to STFU.

The other party wants to make it illegal for me to say mean things to people.

I just can't get behind that.

Where did they do that?  Honestly curious.

Im not going to be able to cite any specific laws against speech here, YET.  The Supreme Court of Canada shot one down last year.  I think any that have come close have always been shot down, and they're likely to get shot down as unconstitutional if they ever do pass, but it would seem a natural progression of hate crime laws that make a crime worse if you were biased against someone for whatever reason, rather than just using the way we already rate crimes.

It's the politically correct branch of the Democratic party that pisses me off as much as the social conservatives in the Republican party.

in your case, if hate speech laws did pass, you'd be pretty properly fucked. 

you hate everyone and say so all of the time.   

[Doktor Howl]

I'm kinda fucked no matter which party.

So why not join the one that's philosophically opposed to universal civil liberties?   

at least there's a faction here I can agree with that wants the social conservatives to STFU.

The other party wants to make it illegal for me to say mean things to people.

I just can't get behind that.

Where did they do that?  Honestly curious.

Im not going to be able to cite any specific laws against speech here, YET.  The Supreme Court of Canada shot one down last year.  I think any that have come close have always been shot down, and they're likely to get shot down as unconstitutional if they ever do pass, but it would seem a natural progression of hate crime laws that make a crime worse if you were biased against someone for whatever reason, rather than just using the way we already rate crimes.

It's the politically correct branch of the Democratic party that pisses me off as much as the social conservatives in the Republican party.

in your case, if hate speech laws did pass, you'd be pretty properly fucked. 

you hate everyone and say so all of the time.   

1.  So, no citations.  It's a Rush Limbaugh thing, then?

2.  WTF?  How come nobody told me that the republicans and democrats function in Canada?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Sure the Dems may want more of my money to fail to help people with, but the GOP is in league with people that want to actively invade people's private lives... and they haven't acted in a fiscally responsible way either! If someone could show me a fiscally responsible, socially liberal party... I'd think that was awesome. Right now I feel like we have a choice between a glass of Lemonade with a little shit floating in it, and a glass of shit with a lemon on top. I'm not gonna drink either, but I'm not sure how anyone can justify the second option.

[Doktor Howl]

Sure the Dems may want more of my money to fail to help people with, but the GOP is in league with people that want to actively invade people's private lives... and they haven't acted in a fiscally responsible way either! If someone could show me a fiscally responsible, socially liberal party... I'd think that was awesome. Right now I feel like we have a choice between a glass of Lemonade with a little shit floating in it, and a glass of shit with a lemon on top. I'm not gonna drink either, but I'm not sure how anyone can justify the second option.

Motorcycle.

[Disco Pickle]

I'm kinda fucked no matter which party.

So why not join the one that's philosophically opposed to universal civil liberties?   

at least there's a faction here I can agree with that wants the social conservatives to STFU.

The other party wants to make it illegal for me to say mean things to people.

I just can't get behind that.

Where did they do that?  Honestly curious.

Im not going to be able to cite any specific laws against speech here, YET.  The Supreme Court of Canada shot one down last year.  I think any that have come close have always been shot down, and they're likely to get shot down as unconstitutional if they ever do pass, but it would seem a natural progression of hate crime laws that make a crime worse if you were biased against someone for whatever reason, rather than just using the way we already rate crimes.

It's the politically correct branch of the Democratic party that pisses me off as much as the social conservatives in the Republican party.

in your case, if hate speech laws did pass, you'd be pretty properly fucked. 

you hate everyone and say so all of the time.   

1.  So, no citations.  It's a Rush Limbaugh thing, then?

2.  WTF?  How come nobody told me that the republicans and democrats function in Canada?

how come no one told you that similar branches of political thought exist in other countries?

I get the feeling you are a dick just because you like being a dick.

Don't get me wrong, I respect that, but I'll approach all future discussion with you with this in mind.

[Doktor Howl]

how come no one told you that similar branches of political thought exist in other countries?

Because I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh?  OMFG!  LIBRULS SOMEWHERE ELSE PASSED HATE SPEECH LAWS, SO THE DEMS WILL DO IT HERE!  ZOMG!

I get the feeling you are a dick just because you like being a dick.

Why?  Because you made an asshole assertion, and then couldn't back it up?  Bad Dok, no meathammer.

Don't get me wrong, I respect that, but I'll approach all future discussion with you with this in mind.

Or you could just fuck right off, since any opinion that differs from yours is "just being a dick".  Seriously, die in a fucking fire.

[Disco Pickle]

how come no one told you that similar branches of political thought exist in other countries?

Because I don't listen to Rush Limbaugh?  OMFG!  LIBRULS SOMEWHERE ELSE PASSED HATE SPEECH LAWS, SO THE DEMS WILL DO IT HERE!  ZOMG!

I get the feeling you are a dick just because you like being a dick.

Why?  Because you made an asshole assertion, and then couldn't back it up?  Bad Dok, no meathammer.

Don't get me wrong, I respect that, but I'll approach all future discussion with you with this in mind.

Or you could just fuck right off, since any opinion that differs from yours is "just being a dick".  Seriously, die in a fucking fire.

OMG HES A REPUBLICAN HE MUST LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH.

I can't site any laws currently on the books.  Doesn't mean there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to be illegal, which is actually exactly what I said, not that there WAS, but that there were ones who WANTED to.

your #2 question wasn't an opinion at all, so I wasn't saying you were being a dick for disagreeing with me.  Im not even sure we were disagreeing on anything.

[Doktor Howl]

OMG HES A REPUBLICAN HE MUST LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH.

You made a sensationalist accusation, then failed to back it up.  That's Limbaughism at its finest.

I can't site any laws currently on the books.  Doesn't mean there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to be illegal, which is actually exactly what I said, not that there WAS, but that there were ones who WANTED to.

There are republicans who want to make us all fuck fetuses to show how much we love them.  I can't cite any laws, but that doesn't prove that there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to happen,

[Disco Pickle]

OMG HES A REPUBLICAN HE MUST LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH.

You made a sensationalist accusation, then failed to back it up.  That's Limbaughism at its finest.

I can't site any laws currently on the books.  Doesn't mean there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to be illegal, which is actually exactly what I said, not that there WAS, but that there were ones who WANTED to.

There are republicans who want to make us all fuck fetuses to show how much we love them.  I can't cite any laws, but that doesn't prove that there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to happen,

that's pretty good. 

I bet you're a fuckin riot to hang with IRL.  In fact, you remind me of a good friend of mine.  He's got a good nose for shit and likes pointing it out.

A few people I know don't like him, he rubs them the wrong way.  I think he's the tits.

[Cain]

http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/internal?st=print&id=104052668&path=/news/local

Firefighters watch as home burns to the ground
Originally printed at http://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/local/Firefighters-watch-as-home-burns-to-the-ground-104052668.html

By Reporter - Jason Hibbs
By Photojournalist - Mark Owen
September 30, 2010
OBION COUNTY, Tenn. - Imagine your home catches fire but the local fire department won't respond, then watches it burn. That's exactly what happened to a local family tonight.

A local neighborhood is furious after firefighters watched as an Obion County, Tennessee, home burned to the ground.

The homeowner, Gene Cranick, said he offered to pay whatever it would take for firefighters to put out the flames, but was told it was too late.  They wouldn't do anything to stop his house from burning.

Each year, Obion County residents must pay $75 if they want fire protection from the city of South Fulton.  But the Cranicks did not pay.

The mayor said if homeowners don't pay, they're out of luck.

Hooray for the Free Market!

The best part about this was the house next door also got burnt through inaction by the fire department.  And they had paid.

Gosh, it's almost like there are some kinds of things where, even if you individually opt out, for whatever reason, then other people may still end up suffering because of your individual choice.  If only we had a term and body of thought devoted to these kind of problems.....

[Remington]

I wish we could give the Libertarians an island. They could take everything they own with them, and start their own perfect society.

It's been done, with predictable results:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Minerva

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Wait a second... you would rather be with a party that has a fringe who want to control abortion, make us a 'Christian Nation', define marriage as heterosexual, put prayer in school, etc that with a party that has a fringe that wants to ban hate speech (a misguided but well intentioned concept).

Really?

I can see not being a Democrat because you don't like big government or lots of government programs etc... but because a crackpot minority wants to ban hate speech?

*twitch* *twitch*

[Doktor Howl]

Wait a second... you would rather be with a party that has a fringe who want to control abortion, make us a 'Christian Nation', define marriage as heterosexual, put prayer in school, etc that with a party that has a fringe that wants to ban hate speech (a misguided but well intentioned concept).

Really?

I can see not being a Democrat because you don't like big government or lots of government programs etc... but because a crackpot minority wants to ban hate speech?

*twitch* *twitch*

Beats thinking.

[Doktor Howl]

OMG HES A REPUBLICAN HE MUST LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH.

You made a sensationalist accusation, then failed to back it up.  That's Limbaughism at its finest.

I can't site any laws currently on the books.  Doesn't mean there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to be illegal, which is actually exactly what I said, not that there WAS, but that there were ones who WANTED to.

There are republicans who want to make us all fuck fetuses to show how much we love them.  I can't cite any laws, but that doesn't prove that there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to happen,

that's pretty good. 

I bet you're a fuckin riot to hang with IRL.  In fact, you remind me of a good friend of mine.  He's got a good nose for shit and likes pointing it out.

A few people I know don't like him, he rubs them the wrong way.  I think he's the tits.

I am here for your amusement.

I notice, however, that I still haven't seen a cite referencing a politician trying to push through a hate speech bill.  All I got was some stuff from Canada, because the dems are just the exact same as left-wing Canadians, or some shit.

I wonder why that is?

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

OMG HES A REPUBLICAN HE MUST LISTEN TO RUSH LIMBAUGH.

You made a sensationalist accusation, then failed to back it up.  That's Limbaughism at its finest.

I can't site any laws currently on the books.  Doesn't mean there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to be illegal, which is actually exactly what I said, not that there WAS, but that there were ones who WANTED to.

There are republicans who want to make us all fuck fetuses to show how much we love them.  I can't cite any laws, but that doesn't prove that there isn't a faction that wants this sort of thing to happen,

that's pretty good. 

I bet you're a fuckin riot to hang with IRL.  In fact, you remind me of a good friend of mine.  He's got a good nose for shit and likes pointing it out.

A few people I know don't like him, he rubs them the wrong way.  I think he's the tits.

I am here for your amusement.

I notice, however, that I still haven't seen a cite referencing a politician trying to push through a hate speech bill.  All I got was some stuff from Canada, because the dems are just the exact same as left-wing Canadians, or some shit.

I wonder why that is?

Maybe he confused Hate Crimes with Hate Speech.

Personally, I think Crime should be crime and you should get an equal sentence for your crime if your victim is the same gender preference/skin color or different... but hate crimes are about crimes, not speech.