Democrats planning to cut Social Security while acting as its protectors

[Cain]

I've seen this bubbling under the surface for a while, but haven't paid too much attention because, well, it's hard to spy on a group working in near total secrecy when coupled with a media culture that doesn't give a shit:

http://feeds.salon.com/~r/salon/greenwald/~3/4qqJ_56Fg44/simpson

The President's Deficit Commission is designed to be as anti-democratic and un-transparent as possible.  Its work is done in total secrecy.  It is filled with behind-the-scenes political and corporate operatives who steadfastly refuse to talk to the public about what they're doing.  Its recommendations will be released in December, right after the election, to ensure that its proposals are shielded from public anger.  And the House has passed a non-binding resolution calling for an up-or-down/no-amendments vote on the Commission's recommendations, long considered the key tactic to ensuring its enactment.  The whole point of the Commission is that the steps which Washington wants to take -- particularly cuts in popular social programs, such as Social Security -- can occur only if they are removed as far as possible from democratic accountability.  As the economist James Galbraith put it when testifying before the Commission in July:

Your proceedings are clouded by illegitimacy. . . . First, most of your meetings are secret, apart from two open sessions before this one, which were plainly for show. There is no justification for secret meetings on deficit reduction. No secrets of any kind are involved. . . .

Second, that some members of the commission are proceeding from fixed, predetermined agendas. Third, that the purpose of the secrecy is to defer public discussion of cuts in Social Security and Medicare until after the 2010 elections. You could easily dispel these suspicions by publishing video transcripts of all of your meetings on the Internet, and by holding all future meetings in public . . .

Conflicts of interest constitute the fourth major problem. The fact that the Commission has accepted support from Peter G. Peterson, a man who has for decades conducted a relentless campaign to cut Social Security and Medicare, raises the most serious questions.

That's why Commission co-chair Alan Simpson -- with his blunt contempt for Social Security and and other benefit programs (such as aid to disabled veterans) and his acknowledged eagerness to slash them -- has done the country a serious favor.  His recent outbursts have unmasked this Commission and shed light on its true character.  Unlike his fellow Commission members, who imperiously dismiss public inquiries into what they're doing as though they're annoying and inappropriate, Simpson -- to his genuine credit -- has been aggressively engaging critics, making it impossible to ignore what the Commission is really up to.   

In June, he walked out of a Commission meeting and proceeded to engage in an amazingly informative, 8-minute colloquy streaming in real time on the front page of FDL, making unambiguously clear that the Commission is working to cut Social Security benefits.  And over the last several weeks, he has used increasingly flamboyant rhetoric to attack both defenders of Social Security and the program itself, as well as even attacking wounded veterans for failing to sacrifice enough by giving up some of their benefits.  Whatever one thinks of Simpson's remarks, I prefer his public, engaged candor to the extreme, arrogant secrecy of his fellow Members.

Throughout last year, a few lone, progressive voices were sounding the alarm that the core goal of the President's Commission was to enable cuts in Social Security, but the Commission was operating in such stealth, and the idea was so inconceivable that Obama would lead cuts in Social Security, that few believed it.  The Democrats' plan was clearly to try to win the midterm election by telling people that the GOP wanted to attack Social Security and the Democrats would protect it, only to turn around once the election was over and then enact the Commission's Social Security reductions.  Simpson's comments have changed all that.  Now, even the hardest-core Democratic loyalists are objecting to the Party's plan; here is lifelong Party operative Bob Shrum, of all people, blowing the whistle on what the Democrats are trying to do with this Commission:

So why not campaign all-out, in [Tip] O'Neill's plainspoken way, against a GOP that is disloyal to the most successful -- and most popular -- social program in American history?

Because Democrats have been disarmed by the president's deficit reduction commission, which plainly intends to propose Social Security cuts.

Rather than allow such cuts to be greased through the lame duck session of a decimated Democratic Congress, or passed under cover of "bipartisanship" in a decidedly more Republican one next year, shouldn't the case be stated and debated before the election? (Right now, Social Security is treated as the issue that dare not speak its name.) There is also the question of Democratic identity: What does the party stand for if not Social Security? And then there is the question of Democratic stupidity: Qualified and muted comments by Democrats in effect suggesting that Democrats won't endanger Social Security as much as the other guys will can only further pave the road to defeat.

The president's deficit reduction commission was a response to a series of popular myths -- that the federal deficit is a root cause of our economic distress and that Social Security is a root cause of the deficit. . . . So the deficit commission has targeted Social Security, which has nothing to do with the deficit.

Simpson's comments have triggered a parade of similar evidence.  Key Democratic House member Chris Van Hollen pointedly refused to vow that Democrats would vote against Social Security cuts when pressed by MSNBC's Cenk Uygur, and several progressive pundits -- including TPM's Brian Beutler and Ezra Klein -- this week documented what has been clear for some time:  that the Commission is stacked with ideologically conservative and corporatist appointments from both parties likely to recommend cuts in Social Security.

But perhaps the most significant result of Simpson's candor is that Obama loyalists and Beltway media voices are now forced to publicly defend Social Security cuts, because Simpson's comments have prematurely dragged out into the open what has been an open secret in Washington but was supposed to be a secret plot for everyone else until the election was over.  The New Republic's Jonathan Chait recently decreed, in response to the Simpson controversy, that "liberals should be open to Social Security cuts as part of a balanced package of deficit reduction."  And in The Washington Post today, both the Editorial Page and Dana Milbank defend Simpson and call for cuts in Social Security (Milbank even defends cuts in aid to wounded veterans).  That Social Security must be cut is not only a bipartisan consensus among the GOP and "centrist" Democratic wing, but at least as much, among the Beltway media establishment.

This last point is the critical one for me, and most illustrative of why I find the effort to cut Social Security so appalling.  For the moment, leave to the side abstract debates over the propriety of social programs, or even debates over specific proposals such as raising the retirement age or means-testing.  Instead, let's look at what is happening more broadly:

One of the most significant developments in the U.S. is the rapidly and severely increasing rich-poor gap.  A middle class standard of living is being suffocated and even slowly eliminated, as budget cuts cause an elimination of services that are hallmarks of first-world living.  Because the wealthiest Americans continue to consolidate both their monopoly on wealth and, more important, their control of Congress and the government generally, we respond to all of this by enacting even more policies which exacerbate that gap and favor even more the wealthiest factions while taking more from the poorest and most powerless.  And now, the very people responsible for the vulernable financial state of the U.S. want to address that problem by targeting one of the very few guarantors in American life of a humane standard of living:  Social Security.

Advocates of cutting Social Security -- like Jonathan Chait and the Post's Fred Hiatt -- are the same people who cheered on the attack on Iraq and other policies of endless American War, which have drained America's budget and turned it into a debtor nation.  Millions of other human beings -- but not, of course, them -- suffered and sacrificed for those policies.  And now that it's time to address the economic carnage caused by all of this, to what do they turn for savings?  The handful of social programs which provide at least some small guarantee of a minimally decent standard of living in old age. 

Even those who are ideologically opposed to "social programs" as confiscatory or "socialist" should find this glaring disparity in treatment highly objectionable.  The government policies which most benefit the wealthiest -- the owners of the Government -- continue unabated:  endless war, private Surveillance State explosions, Wall Street bailouts, too-big-to-fail banks, perhaps even extending Bush tax cuts, while the programs on which the most vulnernable depend are targeted to pay for all that.  There have been some gestures during the Obama presidency to work against this trend -- most notably the increase of health care subsidies for millions of poor people -- but targeting Social Security in order to pay for wars, to feed the private Surveillance State, and to extend Bush tax cuts or the suspension of the estate tax is pernicious no matter one's economic ideology.  This isn't about free market capitalism; it's crony capitalism -- oligarchy -- where government policies are constructed to transfer wealth to the same small faction at the top.

In the Post today, Milbank justifies the targeting of Social Security recipients and wounded veterans on the ground that nothing should be "sacrosanct" when considering how to solve America's deficit problem.  Leaving aside the fact that Social Security is not really a deficit issue, the true causes of America's debt and deficits are absolutely sacrosanct and will never be attacked by this Commission.  Does anyone believe it's even remotely possible that meaningful cuts in America's war and military spending, surveillance and intelligence networks, or even corporate-plundering of America's health care system will be enacted as a result of this Commission process?  Of course not.  Those genuine debt-causing policies are "sacrosanct" because the people who profit from them own and control Washington (and share common socio-economic interests with the millionaire Commission members targeting social programs and the billionaires who are behind this).  It's the people who don't control Washington -- ordinary Americans who need Social Security -- who are being targeted in order to feed even further the fattest, most piggish factions actually in control.  That's what makes this process so ugly and odious.

[Adios]

Christ. The money in social security is not general tax funds, it is paid in specifically by every worker for the purpose of retirement.

IF, and I mean BIG IF, this passes it just might wake Americans up. Although I doubt it except for the elderly and disabled. And they have no voice anyway.

[Disco Pickle]

The entire system resembles a Ponzi Scheme.  Robbing Peter to pay Paul, or whatever colloquialism you want to use.

It's unsustainable based on several factors:

Population growth and therefore payroll taxes as new workers enter the market, has not met the number of people in the Baby Boomer generation that have begun to retire.

Inflation has always outpaced wages, so the amount of payroll tax taken out for social security has stayed stagnant, even as prices have continued to rise for everything, especially health care and prescription drugs.

You cannot continue to take in diminishing taxes to fund a system that has only ever seen increasing costs.  Either the cost for services has to come down, or the amount of services has to come down.

I'm considering it theft at this point in my life, as all data seems to say that there will be no real money left in the system when I reach retirement age in 2045..  and that's if they don't raise the minimum age, which is highly unlikely.

[Adios]

So what is your answer? I mean, some of that money is mine, paid in for a specific reason on a non-voluntary basis. Over a period of decades.

[Cain]

Clearly you are meant to forget about the hundreds of billions the US government forwards to its backers in the military-security-industrial complex and agitate first and foremost for Social Security to be abandoned, because clearly this will allow taxes to be lowered the fastest and thus achieve Libertopia.

[Adios]

Clearly you are meant to forget about the hundreds of billions the US government forwards to its backers in the military-security-industrial complex and agitate first and foremost for Social Security to be abandoned, because clearly this will allow taxes to be lowered the fastest and thus achieve Libertopia.

Yeah. More likely now that I am disabled I will load my guns and sharpen my pitchfork. They have been targeting SS for decades.

The next logical step will be to kill everyone who is unable to work or is retiring. I mean, since we are such dregs on society and all.

[Cain]

There is a truly hilarious angle to this whole rush to reduce the deficit and pay off debts....but I'm saving that for a rant.  Just be assured, this is a strike by the oligarchs in government against everyone else, regardless of how they wish to dress it up.  There is a much easier option, but if they did things that way, artificial scarcity and fear could not be used to rob you of what you've earnt and paid for.

[Adios]

There is a truly hilarious angle to this whole rush to reduce the deficit and pay off debts....but I'm saving that for a rant.  Just be assured, this is a strike by the oligarchs in government against everyone else, regardless of how they wish to dress it up.  There is a much easier option, but if they did things that way, artificial scarcity and fear could not be used to rob you of what you've earnt and paid for.

I look forward to the rant. My solution is to reduce defense spending and stop empire building and get out of senseless wars.

[Thurnez Isa]

I never understood why some Americans get all, "we can't pay for this!" I mean I think I heard in like 20 years social security benefits (which are on surplus right now) will drop by 20 %. I'm pretty sure they could pay for that.
I mean they're the richest country in the world, why don't they start acting like it.
Countries half the size have something similar.
Ah what am I saying? Rome was one of the richest empires on the world at one time and many of their subjects starved to death.

[Adios]

I never understood why some Americans get all, "we can't pay for this!" I mean I think I heard in like 20 years social security benefits (which are on surplus right now) will drop by 20 %. I'm pretty sure they could pay for that.
I mean they're the richest country in the world, why don't they start acting like it.
Countries half the size have something similar.
Ah what am I saying? Rome was one of the richest empires on the world at one time and many of their subjects starved to death.

There are no kickbacks for protecting SS. Now, defense spending, on the other hand.........

[Golden Applesauce]

Christ. The money in social security is not general tax funds, it is paid in specifically by every worker for the purpose of retirement.

IF, and I mean BIG IF, this passes it just might wake Americans up. Although I doubt it except for the elderly and disabled. And they have no voice anyway.

I thought the elderly were the single most civic-minded segment of the population, in terms of voting frequency, likelyness to actually write letters to their elected officials, etc.

[Adios]

Christ. The money in social security is not general tax funds, it is paid in specifically by every worker for the purpose of retirement.

IF, and I mean BIG IF, this passes it just might wake Americans up. Although I doubt it except for the elderly and disabled. And they have no voice anyway.

I thought the elderly were the single most civic-minded segment of the population, in terms of voting frequency, likelyness to actually write letters to their elected officials, etc.

That does not equate to being heard.

[Cain]

There is a truly hilarious angle to this whole rush to reduce the deficit and pay off debts....but I'm saving that for a rant.  Just be assured, this is a strike by the oligarchs in government against everyone else, regardless of how they wish to dress it up.  There is a much easier option, but if they did things that way, artificial scarcity and fear could not be used to rob you of what you've earnt and paid for.

I look forward to the rant. My solution is to reduce defense spending and stop empire building and get out of senseless wars.

Not a bad one, but this is even better...plus it has historical precedent on it's side, and will make the deficient hawks cry like babies.

[Adios]

Christ. The money in social security is not general tax funds, it is paid in specifically by every worker for the purpose of retirement.

IF, and I mean BIG IF, this passes it just might wake Americans up. Although I doubt it except for the elderly and disabled. And they have no voice anyway.

I thought the elderly were the single most civic-minded segment of the population, in terms of voting frequency, likelyness to actually write letters to their elected officials, etc.

I'm going to expound on your comment. First, please use a finer brush, your current one is far too broad.

The AARP is the primary voice for the elderly. Now exclude most who are in nursing homes. Then exclude the apathetic ones. Next exclude all who don't understand or who have been brought up to think you can't fight the government.

When the budget was signed into law on October 28, 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense's budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.[3]  An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010, but has been delayed by the House of Representatives after passing the Senate.[4][5]  Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Now, remember everybody who is working 'contributes' to social security as a means of retirement.

Social Security provides disability insurance and survivor's benefits, but when people talk about it, they tend to be referring to its role as a program that provides income support to retirees. The average monthly benefit of $1,170 replaces about 39 percent of the person's pre-retirement earnings. Over the next two decades, the "replacement rate" is slated to drop to 31 percent. That is less than in most developed countries -- the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development ranks it 25 out of 30 member nations.
Which brings us to Social Security's financial "crisis." The issue isn't that Social Security is spending too much or that we're living too long. It's that we're not having enough children (or letting in enough immigrants). As Stephen C. Goss, the system's chief actuary, has written, Social Security projects an imbalance "because birth rates dropped from three to two children per woman." That means there are relatively fewer young people paying for the old people. "Importantly," Goss continues, "this shortfall is basically stable after 2035." In other words, we only have to fix Social Security once.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/04/AR2010090400096.html?hpid=topnews

So when the younger group wants to talk about how we didn't do anything to deserve our money back, or that it isn't our money, I say to you, study a bit and quit listening to the howls from your lawmakers and others who are benefitting from other programs personally. remember, a rich person doesn't need SS.

[Kai]

Christ. The money in social security is not general tax funds, it is paid in specifically by every worker for the purpose of retirement.

IF, and I mean BIG IF, this passes it just might wake Americans up. Although I doubt it except for the elderly and disabled. And they have no voice anyway.

I thought the elderly were the single most civic-minded segment of the population, in terms of voting frequency, likelyness to actually write letters to their elected officials, etc.

I'm going to expound on your comment. First, please use a finer brush, your current one is far too broad.

The AARP is the primary voice for the elderly. Now exclude most who are in nursing homes. Then exclude the apathetic ones. Next exclude all who don't understand or who have been brought up to think you can't fight the government.

When the budget was signed into law on October 28, 2009, the final size of the Department of Defense's budget was $680 billion, $16 billion more than President Obama had requested.[3]  An additional $37 billion supplemental bill to support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan was expected to pass in the spring of 2010, but has been delayed by the House of Representatives after passing the Senate.[4][5]  Defense-related expenditures outside of the Department of Defense constitute between $216 billion and $361 billion in additional spending, bringing the total for defense spending to between $880 billion and $1.03 trillion in fiscal year 2010.[6]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_budget_of_the_United_States

Now, remember everybody who is working 'contributes' to social security as a means of retirement.

Social Security provides disability insurance and survivor's benefits, but when people talk about it, they tend to be referring to its role as a program that provides income support to retirees. The average monthly benefit of $1,170 replaces about 39 percent of the person's pre-retirement earnings. Over the next two decades, the "replacement rate" is slated to drop to 31 percent. That is less than in most developed countries -- the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development ranks it 25 out of 30 member nations.
Which brings us to Social Security's financial "crisis." The issue isn't that Social Security is spending too much or that we're living too long. It's that we're not having enough children (or letting in enough immigrants). As Stephen C. Goss, the system's chief actuary, has written, Social Security projects an imbalance "because birth rates dropped from three to two children per woman." That means there are relatively fewer young people paying for the old people. "Importantly," Goss continues, "this shortfall is basically stable after 2035." In other words, we only have to fix Social Security once.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/04/AR2010090400096.html?hpid=topnews

So when the younger group wants to talk about how we didn't do anything to deserve our money back, or that it isn't our money, I say to you, study a bit and quit listening to the howls from your lawmakers and others who are benefitting from other programs personally. remember, a rich person doesn't need SS.

Yeah, that's just what you WOULD say, you socialist!