Anarchy

[BabylonHoruv]

Dude...
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You're harshing my high, dude.

"Every party has a pooper, that's why they invited me..." 

I didn't mean to go off like that, well, I guess I did in a way, but I've been down this road before about the moaning and groaning on how no government's better than the one we have.  Ain't no such thing, in my world.  We can always do BETTER, but better =/= throwing baby with bathwater into ditch.

I don't agree with it, but I did enjoy reading it.  And it served as a nice counterpoint to Outside's post with the random capitalization and insistence that she'd be running around robbing and murdering if the police weren't out there to catch her.

[BadBeast]

Dude...
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You're harshing my high, dude.

"Every party has a pooper, that's why they invited me..." 

I didn't mean to go off like that, well, I guess I did in a way, but I've been down this road before about the moaning and groaning on how no government's better than the one we have.  Ain't no such thing, in my world.  We can always do BETTER, but better =/= throwing baby with bathwater into ditch.

I don't agree with it, but I did enjoy reading it.  And it served as a nice counterpoint to Outside's post with the random capitalization and insistence that she'd be running around robbing and murdering if the police weren't out there to catch her.

Yeah, and there's plenty of people out there, running around robbing and murdering people even though the Police are ostensibly trying to catch them anyway. Plus, it's in the State's interest to maintain a certain level of crime because it justifies them taking more power for themselves. Which they inevitably abuse. Criminals don't give a rats arse about the Law, (Or they wouldn't be criminals) The State creates criminals with legislation, trains them in Prisons, then uses them to maintain their own grip on power.

[Doktor Howl]

Dude...
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You're harshing my high, dude.

"Every party has a pooper, that's why they invited me..." 

I didn't mean to go off like that, well, I guess I did in a way, but I've been down this road before about the moaning and groaning on how no government's better than the one we have.  Ain't no such thing, in my world.  We can always do BETTER, but better =/= throwing baby with bathwater into ditch.

I don't agree with it, but I did enjoy reading it.  And it served as a nice counterpoint to Outside's post with the random capitalization and insistence that she'd be running around robbing and murdering if the police weren't out there to catch her.

Yeah, and there's plenty of people out there, running around robbing and murdering people even though the Police are ostensibly trying to catch them anyway. Plus, it's in the State's interest to maintain a certain level of crime because it justifies them taking more power for themselves. Which they inevitably abuse. Criminals don't give a rats arse about the Law, (Or they wouldn't be criminals) The State creates criminals with legislation, trains them in Prisons, then uses them to maintain their own grip on power.

So.

Which perfect, failsafe options do you offer instead?

[Don Coyote]

Dude...
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You're harshing my high, dude.

"Every party has a pooper, that's why they invited me..." 

I didn't mean to go off like that, well, I guess I did in a way, but I've been down this road before about the moaning and groaning on how no government's better than the one we have.  Ain't no such thing, in my world.  We can always do BETTER, but better =/= throwing baby with bathwater into ditch.

I don't agree with it, but I did enjoy reading it.  And it served as a nice counterpoint to Outside's post with the random capitalization and insistence that she'd be running around robbing and murdering if the police weren't out there to catch her.

Yeah, and there's plenty of people out there, running around robbing and murdering people even though the Police are ostensibly trying to catch them anyway. Plus, it's in the State's interest to maintain a certain level of crime because it justifies them taking more power for themselves. Which they inevitably abuse. Criminals don't give a rats arse about the Law, (Or they wouldn't be criminals) The State creates criminals with legislation, trains them in Prisons, then uses them to maintain their own grip on power.

So.

Which perfect, failsafe options do you offer instead?

Love. 

[BadBeast]

Dude...
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   /
You're harshing my high, dude.

"Every party has a pooper, that's why they invited me..." 

I didn't mean to go off like that, well, I guess I did in a way, but I've been down this road before about the moaning and groaning on how no government's better than the one we have.  Ain't no such thing, in my world.  We can always do BETTER, but better =/= throwing baby with bathwater into ditch.

I don't agree with it, but I did enjoy reading it.  And it served as a nice counterpoint to Outside's post with the random capitalization and insistence that she'd be running around robbing and murdering if the police weren't out there to catch her.

Yeah, and there's plenty of people out there, running around robbing and murdering people even though the Police are ostensibly trying to catch them anyway. Plus, it's in the State's interest to maintain a certain level of crime because it justifies them taking more power for themselves. Which they inevitably abuse. Criminals don't give a rats arse about the Law, (Or they wouldn't be criminals) The State creates criminals with legislation, trains them in Prisons, then uses them to maintain their own grip on power.

So.

Which perfect, failsafe options do you offer instead?

I'm not offering anything instead. Or even pretending to. Just drawing attention to the fact that the State isn't really offering what it says it's offering. In fact, it perpetrates more havoc and intrusive/oppressive shit than anyone else. I'm not saying that everyone should be "Anarchists", or advocating the setting up of an Anarchist society. (Whatever the fuck that is)
All I want, is the responsibility for my own shit, without having to be told what I can and can't do. If this was miraculously granted to me, I wouldn't suddenly turn into a bomb throwing maniac. But the inference the State provides is that I would. Nobody needs to be protected from me. But the inference the State provides is that they do. Shit, the State thinks we all need to be protected from ourselves. THAT is what I really resent.

[Doktor Howl]

I'm not offering anything instead. Or even pretending to. Just drawing attention to the fact that the State isn't really offering what it says it's offering. In fact, it perpetrates more havoc and intrusive/oppressive shit than anyone else. I'm not saying that everyone should be "Anarchists", or advocating the setting up of an Anarchist society. (Whatever the fuck that is)
All I want, is the responsibility for my own shit, without having to be told what I can and can't do. If this was miraculously granted to me, I wouldn't suddenly turn into a bomb throwing maniac. But the inference the State provides is that I would. Nobody needs to be protected from me. But the inference the State provides is that they do. Shit, the State thinks we all need to be protected from ourselves. THAT is what I really resent.

Of course the state isn't offering what it says it's offering.  Doesn't matter.  There is a minimum required level of order that I insist on for very selfish reasons, and the state is (currently) able to maintain that.

In just under 4 years, I will have a different opinion.

[The Great Pope of OUTSIDE]

Like I said, no government is perfect, and I have SERIOUS issues with some of our legislation and a LOT of our justice system, and I will not deny that.

But I really think it's a matter of reform in the government that we already HAVE, rather than getting rid of government entirely that will help at least begin to solve these problems, if they can be solved at all.

And I will argue that each and every one of us here is allowed to do more, say more, and achieve more with much more convenience through what the government provides and/or allows us to do than what any of us could do in total anarchy.

[Salty]

While to public's thoughts and movements and tendancies can be controlled to an extent by the powers that be, I have a hard time accepting that what we have right now, with all our resources and abilities, is somehow not EXACTLY what we want.

What we have right this second is what we want. We built all this on our own accord.

This is what we asked for. And we keep asking for it every day we don't avoid using public roads or clean, municipal water.

And that's probably a good way to start an anarchist movement, poison all public water supplies.
Don't use The Man™'s sanitation and ruin it for others.

FREEEEEDDDDOOOOMMMM!

[The Great Pope of OUTSIDE]

And then what? You don't have water to drink, and no one else does either. And everyone dies in three days or less to dehydration.

Great idea there. 

[Salty]

[The Great Pope of OUTSIDE]

Was my sarcasm response to your sarcasm? 

[BabylonHoruv]

Was my sarcasm response to your sarcasm? 

People who don't know the difference between sarcasm and facetiousness ITT

[The Great Pope of OUTSIDE]

*points to self* people who have hard time telling tone of voice by text alone sometimes ITT.

[Don Coyote]

While to public's thoughts and movements and tendancies can be controlled to an extent by the powers that be, I have a hard time accepting that what we have right now, with all our resources and abilities, is somehow not EXACTLY what we want.

What we have right this second is what we want. We built all this on our own accord.

This is what we asked for. And we keep asking for it every day we don't avoid using public roads or clean, municipal water.

And that's probably a good way to start an anarchist movement, poison all public water supplies.
Don't use The Man™'s sanitation and ruin it for others.

FREEEEEDDDDOOOOMMMM!

That is surprisingly close to how I would deal with LA.

[Jasper]

Why bother?  It's always on fire anyway.