Anarchy

[BadBeast]

Badbeast--I see where you're going, and I've deplored the greediness with which government seems to want to capture its citizens and place then in jail with nary a thought to their so-called productivity to society as a free citizen.  In fact, many prison/jail administrators and law enforcement personnel suscribe to the notion that such people are "throw-aways" who belong out of society's way before they harm anyone any further.

And society at large EATS THAT UP WITH A MOTHERFUCKING SPOON.  And legislator or politician who runs on SAFETY--PUBLIC AND PRIVATE--KILLALLTHEMURDERINGRAPINGCARJACKINGTHUGS gets that much more votes for doing so.  People LOVE to "feel safe" and sacrifice on that altar too many of their own personal rights.

So the justification that it's not the people who built the state to act this way doesn't wash, in my mind.  I know there's a definite abuse of power when it comes to incarceration, criminalization, etc. (know it firsthand since my father's in prison), but this is what the people demand.  Yes, they're told to demand it, but even still, no one likes to feel unsafe.

Guess what they'd want to do if that so-called safety was removed?

Yeah, I can see why people let themselves get lulled into a false sense of security by the State. And although your US system seems very similar on the surface to ours, (UK) they really are quite different. I accept that both Prison systems contain people who are very dangerous, and need to be dealt with, but having been in Prison myself a few times, I can honestly say that 90% of the Prisoners in the UK, are no danger to anyone, comprising largely of fine defaulters, drugs offenders, driving offences, and people who haven't paid their Council Tax/TV Licences. It seems that much of the Legislation here is to protect big business from those who don't pay up. We have a two tier legal system, with Magistrates Courts dealing with most offences, (less than 2 years Max) and Crown Courts (More than 2 years) Magistrates Courts seem to maintain the petty criminal system, and small scale offences, and the Crown Courts for high profile stuff. Murder is the only offence with a mandatory life sentence, but Parole is granted after 7 years in most cases. Whereas defrauding a big company of £1,000,000
can get you 18 years, with no early parole. Also, our Prisons are not built along the lines of a Penitentiary system.

Once you are sentenced, there is no enforced work regieme, TV in every cell, and drugs are more readily available inside than they are on the street. So there is a bigger turnover of people here, with reoffenders going in and out all the time for 3, 6 or 9 months sentences making up the biggest portion. Don't quite know where I'm going with this now, but I hope your old fella gets out soon.
 

[Doktor Howl]

Yeah, I can see why people let themselves get lulled into a false sense of security by the State.

Yeah, I can see why constant anxiety over whether you'll be killed by roaming gangs of bandits would be an improvement on that.

[BadBeast]

We haven't had roaming gangs of bandits since the Special Patrol Groups were disbanded in the 1980's.

[Doktor Howl]

We haven't had roaming gangs of bandits since the Special Patrol Groups were disbanded in the 1980's.

Words don't mean anything.  Nothing at all.  We can interchange meanings as we see fit, to support The Cause™, which is holy and excuses all deeds.

So, corrupt cops are bandits, and not wanting to chuck the rule of law is being a slave to the state, and human nature will change if we beat it with a hammer.

[BadBeast]

Well, human nature has always been susceptible to hammer blows. Especially when you use them to strike off the chains of the oppressor.  

[Doktor Howl]

Well, human nature has always been susceptible to hammer blows. Especially when you use them to strike off the chains of the oppressor.  

Stick it to The Man.

[BadBeast]

But The Man has a nailgun! Maybe if we all rose up together, . . . . . . 

[Doktor Howl]

But The Man has a nailgun! Maybe if we all rose up together, . . . . . . 

That sounds too groupthink.  You rise up.

[BadBeast]

last time I did that, they all laughed!

[Doktor Howl]

last time I did that, they all laughed!

Sounds like your anarchy has, well, organizational problems.

[BadBeast]

I am an Army of one!

[Doktor Howl]

I am an Army of one!

You go, dude!   I expect to see the fall of the English government by next week.

[BadBeast]

Glad to see someone has faith in me.

[Doktor Howl]

Glad to see someone has faith in me.

Why aren't you smashing the state and exposing the alienation of the system, already?

[BadBeast]

Spent most of the 80's doing that. No-one gives a rat's arse.