REEFER MADNESS!!!!!!

[Doktor Howl]

"It happens" + "the person was stoned" =/= "It happened because the person was stoned."

I'm gonna say that stupidity is increased when people are all fucked up.

That being said, I'm 20 times more likely - at least - to do something utterly stupid when I'm drunk, than when I'm doing any other intoxicants.  Fact is, I'm a sub-moronic giggling asswipe when I'm drunk.  When I'm fucked up otherwise, I just rant a lot or go to sleep.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

Drunk is another story, yeah.  But "you can't legislate morality!!!!!!" and "prohibition didn't worrrrrk!!!"

[Doktor Howl]

Drunk is another story, yeah. 

Oh, yeah.  I deliberately get stinking drunk every six months or so for stress relief reasons, then spend the next three months cringing as I remember the asshole things I did and said while running around with a liter of bourbon in me.

[Doktor Howl]

On the other hand, I can get fucked out of my gourd on cactus, and then laugh at the asshole things I did and said.

[Disco Pickle]

without quoting a wall of text:  

to ECH: no, but it likely happened while they were smoking pot or, as Dok pointed out, while they were drinking.  If you'd like to dance words about tendencies toward addiction I'll gladly dance that dance but the fact is that even people who've no family history of substance addiction can easily be roped in to one with little effort when their judgement is otherwise impaired by a drug like herb or alcohol.  The truth is that prohibition has done NOTHING to limit the availability of it but what making it legal has NOT guaranteed is that money spent on eradication, incarceration and prohibition will go toward abuse prevention of addiction to other drugs that have a much higher chance of fucking the rest of us, and those drugs have fucked an entire generation of people since the 70's and while numbers have fallen, still continue to ream out the assholes of too many families to just turn a blind eye toward.

Wanted to hit your points too Dok but I'm crashing out, been a hell of a day.  

[Doktor Howl]

Wanted to hit your points too Dok but I'm crashing out, been a hell of a day.  

Snort a line and drive on, soldier.

[Disco Pickle]

On the other hand, I can get fucked out of my gourd on cactus, and then laugh at the asshole things I did and said.

While you might be able to become psychologically addicted to hallucinogens, your body wont allow you to become physically addicted to them.

and even your psychological addiction will shut down as even if your brain wanted to be in that lost place, your body is pushed to such extremes that your brain says "hey, we aren't doing this again real soon"

And of course, those are both related.  

IMO hallucinogens do not belong in a discussion of addictive drugs.  Feel free to correct me on that if you think otherwise.

[Disco Pickle]

Wanted to hit your points too Dok but I'm crashing out, been a hell of a day.  

Snort a line and drive on, soldier.

Those short but damned days are long gone, and thankfully.

[Doktor Howl]

On the other hand, I can get fucked out of my gourd on cactus, and then laugh at the asshole things I did and said.

While you might be able to become psychologically addicted to hallucinogens, your body wont allow you to become physically addicted to them.

and even your psychological addiction will shut down as even if your brain wanted to be in that lost place, your body is pushed to such extremes that your brain says "hey, we aren't doing this again real soon"

And of course, those are both related.  

IMO hallucinogens do not belong in a discussion of addictive drugs.  Feel free to correct me on that if you think otherwise.

Who said anything about being addicted?  I just said I'm an asshole when I use them.  I to this day am not able to live down the infamous garbage can incident.

I'm addicted to sleeping medication, tobacco, and harassing golfers...But not to cactus.

[Doktor Howl]

IMO hallucinogens do not belong in a discussion of addictive drugs.  Feel free to correct me on that if you think otherwise.

Also, when did this become a discussion of addictive drugs?  Last I checked, we were talking about weed.

[Disco Pickle]

IMO hallucinogens do not belong in a discussion of addictive drugs.  Feel free to correct me on that if you think otherwise.

Also, when did this become a discussion of addictive drugs?  Last I checked, we were talking about weed.

fuck I'm staying awake for this..  hate you soooo much Dok

So in you're mind, weed is not addictive, at all

there's never been a weed addict.  ever?

[Disco Pickle]

It is my belief - my opinion - that he has accepted some bad signal, and has built a belief system based on that.

Specifically: That prevention is and must be tied to prohibition.  All of the things he believes that I disagree with stem from that.

Then I'd say that it's no different than the belief that legalization will ultimately lead to education that prevents debilitating addiction to everything BUT MJ.

Prohibition is not the answer, but neither is willful ignorance of the fact that the people who become long term pot smokers will eventually come into contact with drugs that have a much higher chance of fucking their lives and families all to shit.  Whether they get involved with them sometimes comes down to a few second decision while they're high on whether they'd like to be more high.

Not always, but sometimes and those sometimes are, with statistics to back it, really fucking debilitating.

Balls. I've never been so stoned on pot that I thought that maybe trying heroin would be a good idea. People who make that decision were always going to make that decision.

And fuck I had to quote this to ask:

How many addicts have you ever known that were dead set on being addicts?

Not that they weren't probably headed that way, I get that.  But have you ever known anyone who would tell you that yes, that's what they wanted to be?

Drugs are a hell of a drug.  

Your description is easily applicable to people who end up needing <insert life saving or extending drug> to survive.

I know that's not the meat of what we're discussing but discounting it means discounting drugs en toto.

[Anna Mae Bollocks]

without quoting a wall of text:  

to ECH: no, but it likely happened while they were smoking pot or, as Dok pointed out, while they were drinking.

It likely happened while they were wearing pants.

OMFG OUTLAW PANCE NAO!!!!!

The truth is that prohibition has done NOTHING to limit the availability of it but what making it legal has NOT guaranteed is that money spent on eradication, incarceration and prohibition will go toward abuse prevention of addiction to other drugs

Of course it won't. It'll go towards lining the fat cats' bank accounts just like everything else.

That's still no excuse to keep locking people up for bullshit.

[Doktor Howl]

IMO hallucinogens do not belong in a discussion of addictive drugs.  Feel free to correct me on that if you think otherwise.

Also, when did this become a discussion of addictive drugs?  Last I checked, we were talking about weed.

fuck I'm staying awake for this..  hate you soooo much Dok

So in you're mind, weed is not addictive, at all

there's never been a weed addict.  ever?

I've known a few.  But in all honestly, they'd be just as likely to get addicted to Cheese Whiz.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

It is my belief - my opinion - that he has accepted some bad signal, and has built a belief system based on that.

Specifically: That prevention is and must be tied to prohibition.  All of the things he believes that I disagree with stem from that.

IAWTP.