Pedophile Handbook, now in Kindle edition!

[Freeky]

To clarify an earlier statement (TGRR and I had a conversaton about this thread and I realized my post wasn't clear) I approve of Amazon taking it off their shelves, not censoring the thing entirely.

Freedom of speech =/= Have To Sell, Or You're Censoring

[BadBeast]

To clarify an earlier statement (TGRR and I had a conversaton about this thread and I realized my post wasn't clear) I approve of Amazon taking it off their shelves, not censoring the thing entirely.

Freedom of speech =/= Have To Sell, Or You're Censoring

Well, with that kind of publication, you're either in, or you're out. There's no half measures, really.

[Reginald Ret]

The difference between refusing to sell/spread (ideas) and censorship is that censorship is enforced with violence or the threat of violence.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Someone should forward this link to the TSA.   

[Reginald Ret]

 

[Lies]

Someone should forward this link to the TSA.   

[Precious Moments Zalgo]

I'm all in favour of free speech, but it seems that the American version of it seems to protect people from the consequences of whatever fucked up hateshit it is that they say. For instance, the Westboro Baptist fuckwits can stand outside dead soldiers funerals, and spew all that hate filled bullshit, but if, as a direct consequence of this, a group of Veterans turn up and stomp the shit out of them, then the Law will come down in favour of the Baptards. If you are going to allow free speech like this,then you must allow for any reasonable consequences that occur from it.  

There is a limit.  Fighting words are not protected as free speech.  Fred Phelps and his minions know the law and are careful to keep their speech from crossing over into what would be considered to be fighting words.  That way, they can sue that group of veterans that turn up and stomp the shit out of them.

[BadBeast]

Legislation aside, and in this particular example, I think it would be perfectly acceptable behaviour
if the mourners stomped anyone who turned up at a funeral and behaved like that. It's entirely the correct way to deal with them. I'm not calling for them to be torn apart, or burned alive, but a good kicking is well overdue. If they then tried to sue whoever did it, then any sensible Legal System would have to say "Well, what did you expect? It serves you right". Nobody would be taking away their right to free speech, just showing them that abuse like that is going to have consequences that they should not be able to avoid, by hiding behind Lawyers.

[Cain]

So now Brownshirt mobs aren't intimidating people into self-censorship by kicking the shit out of them for saying things they dislike either?

[BadBeast]

Dunno. Is that anything like Baptist Mobs, goading people into violent reaction by outrageously abusing grief stricken mourners for burying people they dislike?

[LMNO]

Um... yeah.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that violence is not an appropriate response to hate speech.

A bad argument demands counterarguments, not fists.

[Faust]

For instance what happened when the phelps croud showed up at cmic con and faced a parody of themselves in full cosplay glamour. It was glorious.

[BadBeast]

For instance what happened when the phelps croud showed up at cmic con and faced a parody of themselves in full cosplay glamour. It was glorious.

Well yeah, I agree that's even better, but that was an organised and pre-planned response.
My point, is that if any person or persons, were to turn up at a funeral, any funeral, and behave in the way that the WBC behave, and in reaction to this, the righteously outraged mourners, (Who are there after all, to bury a loved one)  were to give the offending person / persons a good hiding, would that be wrong?

Put yourself in the position of one of the mourners. A very dear and beloved family member's life has been cut short, in some pointless tragedy. You are trying to get through the worst fucking day of your life, and put your loved one in the ground, and some people, who have no connection whatsoever with any of the mourners, or the deceased, show up, and behave like the WBC.  And they will not shut up.
In response to this, yourself and 3 of the pallbearers approach these people, who are shouting horrible untrue allegations against your dead family member, telling you that they will burn forever in Hellfire,  because God hates fags, or some other spiteful nasty shite.  Outraged,  In pain and righteous anger, you punch that fucker out. Have you behaved inappropriately, given the circumstances? Can you honestly say that if this happened, you would be the one in the wrong?

[LMNO]

Yup.


Next question?

[Freeky]

LMNO speaks truth.

Just because an emotional response is understandable doesn't mean it's right.