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Freeky

To clarify an earlier statement (TGRR and I had a conversaton about this thread and I realized my post wasn't clear) I approve of Amazon taking it off their shelves, not censoring the thing entirely.

Freedom of speech =/= Have To Sell, Or You're Censoring

BadBeast

Quote from: Mistress Freeky, HRN on November 15, 2010, 05:17:01 AM
To clarify an earlier statement (TGRR and I had a conversaton about this thread and I realized my post wasn't clear) I approve of Amazon taking it off their shelves, not censoring the thing entirely.

Freedom of speech =/= Have To Sell, Or You're Censoring
Well, with that kind of publication, you're either in, or you're out. There's no half measures, really.
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NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Reginald Ret

The difference between refusing to sell/spread (ideas) and censorship is that censorship is enforced with violence or the threat of violence.
Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

The Good Reverend Roger

Someone should forward this link to the TSA.   :lulz:
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- TGRR, shaming himself forever, 7/8/2017

"Billy, when I say that ethics is our number one priority and safety is also our number one priority, you should take that to mean exactly what I said. Also quality. That's our number one priority as well. Don't look at me that way, you're in the corporate world now and this is how it works."
- TGRR, raising the bar at work.

Reginald Ret

Lord Byron: "Those who will not reason, are bigots, those who cannot, are fools, and those who dare not, are slaves."

Nigel saying the wisest words ever uttered: "It's just a suffix."

"The worst forum ever" "The most mediocre forum on the internet" "The dumbest forum on the internet" "The most retarded forum on the internet" "The lamest forum on the internet" "The coolest forum on the internet"

Lies

- So the New World Order does not actually exist?
- Oh it exists, and how!
Ask the slaves whose labour built the White House;
Ask the slaves of today tied down to sweatshops and brothels to escape hunger;
Ask most women, second class citizens, in a pervasive rape culture;
Ask the non-human creatures who inhabit the planet:
whales, bears, frogs, tuna, bees, slaughtered farm animals;
Ask the natives of the Americas and Australia on whose land
you live today, on whose graves your factories, farms and neighbourhoods stand;
ask any of them this, ask them if the New World Order is true;
they'll tell you plainly: the New World Order... is you!

Precious Moments Zalgo

Quote from: BadBeast on November 14, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
I'm all in favour of free speech, but it seems that the American version of it seems to protect people from the consequences of whatever fucked up hateshit it is that they say. For instance, the Westboro Baptist fuckwits can stand outside dead soldiers funerals, and spew all that hate filled bullshit, but if, as a direct consequence of this, a group of Veterans turn up and stomp the shit out of them, then the Law will come down in favour of the Baptards. If you are going to allow free speech like this,then you must allow for any reasonable consequences that occur from it.  
There is a limit.  Fighting words are not protected as free speech.  Fred Phelps and his minions know the law and are careful to keep their speech from crossing over into what would be considered to be fighting words.  That way, they can sue that group of veterans that turn up and stomp the shit out of them.
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BadBeast

Legislation aside, and in this particular example, I think it would be perfectly acceptable behaviour
if the mourners stomped anyone who turned up at a funeral and behaved like that. It's entirely the correct way to deal with them. I'm not calling for them to be torn apart, or burned alive, but a good kicking is well overdue. If they then tried to sue whoever did it, then any sensible Legal System would have to say "Well, what did you expect? It serves you right". Nobody would be taking away their right to free speech, just showing them that abuse like that is going to have consequences that they should not be able to avoid, by hiding behind Lawyers.
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

Cain

So now Brownshirt mobs aren't intimidating people into self-censorship by kicking the shit out of them for saying things they dislike either?

BadBeast

Dunno. Is that anything like Baptist Mobs, goading people into violent reaction by outrageously abusing grief stricken mourners for burying people they dislike?
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

LMNO

Um... yeah.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that violence is not an appropriate response to hate speech.

A bad argument demands counterarguments, not fists.

Faust

For instance what happened when the phelps croud showed up at cmic con and faced a parody of themselves in full cosplay glamour. It was glorious.
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BadBeast

Quote from: Faust on November 16, 2010, 02:36:45 PM
For instance what happened when the phelps croud showed up at cmic con and faced a parody of themselves in full cosplay glamour. It was glorious.
Well yeah, I agree that's even better, but that was an organised and pre-planned response.
My point, is that if any person or persons, were to turn up at a funeral, any funeral, and behave in the way that the WBC behave, and in reaction to this, the righteously outraged mourners, (Who are there after all, to bury a loved one)  were to give the offending person / persons a good hiding, would that be wrong?

Put yourself in the position of one of the mourners. A very dear and beloved family member's life has been cut short, in some pointless tragedy. You are trying to get through the worst fucking day of your life, and put your loved one in the ground, and some people, who have no connection whatsoever with any of the mourners, or the deceased, show up, and behave like the WBC.  And they will not shut up.
In response to this, yourself and 3 of the pallbearers approach these people, who are shouting horrible untrue allegations against your dead family member, telling you that they will burn forever in Hellfire,  because God hates fags, or some other spiteful nasty shite.  Outraged,  In pain and righteous anger, you punch that fucker out. Have you behaved inappropriately, given the circumstances? Can you honestly say that if this happened, you would be the one in the wrong?
"We need a plane for Bombing, Strafing, Assault and Battery, Interception, Ground Support, and Reconaissance,
NOT JUST A "FAIR WEATHER FIGHTER"!

"I kinda like him. It's like he sees inside my soul" ~ Nigel


Whoever puts their hand on me to govern me, is a usurper, and a tyrant, and I declare them my enemy!

"And when the clouds obscure the moon, and normal service is resumed. It wont. Mean. A. Thing"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpkCJDYxH-4

LMNO


Freeky

LMNO speaks truth.

Just because an emotional response is understandable doesn't mean it's right.