This is Going to be an Adventure...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I know, but what's horrible for 98% of humanity is a windfall to me.

It's not ALL going to be slave girls and sawed off shotguns, ECH.  There won't be any lobster pate where we're headed, boyo.

[Eater of Clowns]

I know, but what's horrible for 98% of humanity is a windfall to me.

It's not ALL going to be slave girls and sawed off shotguns, ECH.  There won't be any lobster pate where we're headed, boyo.

On the plus side, it'll settle the currency problem.  We can just switch to the people standard!

[Disco Pickle]

The thing about the gold standard is, at least from my knowledge, is that it has the same issue as fiat money. You can always fiddle with the value of gold one way or another. "An ounce of gold is now worth $2,000" or "an ounce of gold is now worth three dollars." Either way, you now can shift how much money you can print.

Edit: I also see issues with it in terms of growing an economy. There's only so much gold, and economies need to be more flexible. But that's a semi-uneducated comment. I'd have to do more research (which I don't have time to), but from what I remember that was a criticism.

- you can fiddle with the price of gold in dollars by fiddling with the dollars.  that doesn't effect the value of gold.
it's value stays pretty even keeled.

-we need to learn how to make a sustainable economy that doesn't require continuous growth.  flexibility is good, and that is why a strict gold standard doesn't really make great sense, but an economy based on the assumption that continuous growth indefinitely is possible?  that seems absurdly short sighted, no?

maybe if we stop making people. As long as everyone is still popping out little bastards like they're going out of style, I don't see why growth wouldn't be able to continue indefinitely.

No reason at all.

Population

An estimated 11 percent of the planet's land surface-4.6 million square miles, an area larger than the United States and Mexico combined-has suffered moderate to severe land degradation since 1945, diminishing its capacity to grow crops and other vegetation. Every year farmers are forced to abandon up to 27,000 square miles of farmland, enough to equal West Virginia, because they cannot make a living on it. About one fourth of the world's population depends on fuelwood that is cut faster than it can grow back.

Water is increasingly scarce in certain regions of the world, as populations that are doubling within two or three decades must share finite supplies of renewable water resources. Based on the generally accepted standard that a country needs a bare minimum of 654 cubic yards per inhabitant per year to develop economically, 11 nations faced such scarcity in 1990. By the year 2025, the UN projects, that number will nearly double.

(from Compton's Deluxe 3D World Atlas CD Rom.)

Humans are a self-correcting problem.

as there are +/- 180 countries, that's a pretty small percentage.

Also, I don't give a shit what inevitably happens after I die as long as what's happening now can be sustained for the course of my lifetime.

social security comes to mind.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I know, but what's horrible for 98% of humanity is a windfall to me.

It's not ALL going to be slave girls and sawed off shotguns, ECH.  There won't be any lobster pate where we're headed, boyo.

On the plus side, it'll settle the currency problem.  We can just switch to the people standard!

Why the hell not?  It worked for 8000 years.

[East Coast Hustle]

I know, but what's horrible for 98% of humanity is a windfall to me.

It's not ALL going to be slave girls and sawed off shotguns, ECH.  There won't be any lobster pate where we're headed, boyo.

There will for my employers. And I'll be making it.

[East Coast Hustle]

The thing about the gold standard is, at least from my knowledge, is that it has the same issue as fiat money. You can always fiddle with the value of gold one way or another. "An ounce of gold is now worth $2,000" or "an ounce of gold is now worth three dollars." Either way, you now can shift how much money you can print.

Edit: I also see issues with it in terms of growing an economy. There's only so much gold, and economies need to be more flexible. But that's a semi-uneducated comment. I'd have to do more research (which I don't have time to), but from what I remember that was a criticism.

- you can fiddle with the price of gold in dollars by fiddling with the dollars.  that doesn't effect the value of gold.
it's value stays pretty even keeled.

-we need to learn how to make a sustainable economy that doesn't require continuous growth.  flexibility is good, and that is why a strict gold standard doesn't really make great sense, but an economy based on the assumption that continuous growth indefinitely is possible?  that seems absurdly short sighted, no?

maybe if we stop making people. As long as everyone is still popping out little bastards like they're going out of style, I don't see why growth wouldn't be able to continue indefinitely.

No reason at all.

Population

An estimated 11 percent of the planet's land surface-4.6 million square miles, an area larger than the United States and Mexico combined-has suffered moderate to severe land degradation since 1945, diminishing its capacity to grow crops and other vegetation. Every year farmers are forced to abandon up to 27,000 square miles of farmland, enough to equal West Virginia, because they cannot make a living on it. About one fourth of the world's population depends on fuelwood that is cut faster than it can grow back.

Water is increasingly scarce in certain regions of the world, as populations that are doubling within two or three decades must share finite supplies of renewable water resources. Based on the generally accepted standard that a country needs a bare minimum of 654 cubic yards per inhabitant per year to develop economically, 11 nations faced such scarcity in 1990. By the year 2025, the UN projects, that number will nearly double.

(from Compton's Deluxe 3D World Atlas CD Rom.)

Humans are a self-correcting problem.

as there are +/- 180 countries, that's a pretty small percentage.

Also, I don't give a shit what inevitably happens after I die as long as what's happening now can be sustained for the course of my lifetime.

social security comes to mind.

yeah, sometimes I think I should feel bad for the people that have been relying on that.

but then I crack another Stella Artois and go have a cigar.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

The thing about the gold standard is, at least from my knowledge, is that it has the same issue as fiat money. You can always fiddle with the value of gold one way or another. "An ounce of gold is now worth $2,000" or "an ounce of gold is now worth three dollars." Either way, you now can shift how much money you can print.

Edit: I also see issues with it in terms of growing an economy. There's only so much gold, and economies need to be more flexible. But that's a semi-uneducated comment. I'd have to do more research (which I don't have time to), but from what I remember that was a criticism.

- you can fiddle with the price of gold in dollars by fiddling with the dollars.  that doesn't effect the value of gold.
it's value stays pretty even keeled.

-we need to learn how to make a sustainable economy that doesn't require continuous growth.  flexibility is good, and that is why a strict gold standard doesn't really make great sense, but an economy based on the assumption that continuous growth indefinitely is possible?  that seems absurdly short sighted, no?

maybe if we stop making people. As long as everyone is still popping out little bastards like they're going out of style, I don't see why growth wouldn't be able to continue indefinitely.

No reason at all.

Population

An estimated 11 percent of the planet's land surface-4.6 million square miles, an area larger than the United States and Mexico combined-has suffered moderate to severe land degradation since 1945, diminishing its capacity to grow crops and other vegetation. Every year farmers are forced to abandon up to 27,000 square miles of farmland, enough to equal West Virginia, because they cannot make a living on it. About one fourth of the world's population depends on fuelwood that is cut faster than it can grow back.

Water is increasingly scarce in certain regions of the world, as populations that are doubling within two or three decades must share finite supplies of renewable water resources. Based on the generally accepted standard that a country needs a bare minimum of 654 cubic yards per inhabitant per year to develop economically, 11 nations faced such scarcity in 1990. By the year 2025, the UN projects, that number will nearly double.

(from Compton's Deluxe 3D World Atlas CD Rom.)

Humans are a self-correcting problem.

as there are +/- 180 countries, that's a pretty small percentage.

Also, I don't give a shit what inevitably happens after I die as long as what's happening now can be sustained for the course of my lifetime.

social security comes to mind.

[Elder Iptuous]

what is that?

[Disco Pickle]

what is that?

same question

[The Good Reverend Roger]

what is that?

Probably Earl Gray.   

[E.O.T.]

         

[The Good Reverend Roger]

         

You guys have all the wrong values.

[Disco Pickle]

         

You guys have all the wrong values.

thats because you're not valuing our values in relation to gold.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

         

You guys have all the wrong values.

thats because you're not valuing our values in relation to gold.

Could be.   

No, it's that you've all found your own monkey totems to promote.  Gold.  Ron Paul.  Libertarianism.  Manicheism.  Obama.  That nice old man that used to live down the street.  Captain Kangaroo.  America's Got Talent.

They're all lies, no different than the things they "oppose".

In my humble opinion, no real Discordian would have anything to do with that monkey shit.

[Disco Pickle]

         

You guys have all the wrong values.

thats because you're not valuing our values in relation to gold.

Could be.   

No, it's that you've all found your own monkey totems to promote.  Gold.  Ron Paul.  Libertarianism.  Manicheism.  Obama.  That nice old man that used to live down the street.  Captain Kangaroo.  America's Got Talent.

They're all lies, no different than the things they "oppose".

In my humble opinion, no real Discordian would have anything to do with that monkey shit.

good point.

but then, no Real Discordian^tm would have anything to do with much of any political discussion other than to completely fuck it up and make everyone in it question what they already think they know to be the troof.

that includes discordians who think they're above the entropy of the social/political structure.