This is Going to be an Adventure...

[The Good Reverend Roger]

         

You guys have all the wrong values.

thats because you're not valuing our values in relation to gold.

Could be.   

No, it's that you've all found your own monkey totems to promote.  Gold.  Ron Paul.  Libertarianism.  Manicheism.  Obama.  That nice old man that used to live down the street.  Captain Kangaroo.  America's Got Talent.

They're all lies, no different than the things they "oppose".

In my humble opinion, no real Discordian would have anything to do with that monkey shit.

good point.

but then, no Real Discordian^tm would have anything to do with much of any political discussion other than to completely fuck it up and make everyone in it question what they already think they know to be the troof.

that includes discordians who think they're above the entropy of the social/political structure.

And me.

[Juana]

Yeah, you are kinda giving me shit for it. The last clause sounds like an asshole comment to me. I'm going to let it go because I don't like scrapping over things like that.

WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE AND WHAT HAVE YOU DONE TO PD? 

Personal preference. I won't say no to watching people scrap over things like that, but I like a clean fight most of the time. Pickle hasn't irritated me enough in the past to want a real spat.

The thing about the gold standard is, at least from my knowledge, is that it has the same issue as fiat money. You can always fiddle with the value of gold one way or another. "An ounce of gold is now worth $2,000" or "an ounce of gold is now worth three dollars." Either way, you now can shift how much money you can print.

Edit: I also see issues with it in terms of growing an economy. There's only so much gold, and economies need to be more flexible. But that's a semi-uneducated comment. I'd have to do more research (which I don't have time to), but from what I remember that was a criticism.

- you can fiddle with the price of gold in dollars by fiddling with the dollars.  that doesn't effect the value of gold.
it's value stays pretty even keeled.

-we need to learn how to make a sustainable economy that doesn't require continuous growth.  flexibility is good, and that is why a strict gold standard doesn't really make great sense, but an economy based on the assumption that continuous growth indefinitely is possible?  that seems absurdly short sighted, no?

Explain that? Because supply and demand will determine the value of anything, including gold in a gold standard society.

Never argued to the contrary.

[Cain]

I doubt the US is ever going to go onto a gold economy, so Ron Paul's obsession in that area is roughly on a par with O'Donnell's wish to ban masturbation - an interesting quirk that gives an insight into the kind of policies they will likely follow, but probably not a valid policy position in and of itself.

Ron Paul has also, interestingly, done some good work with Alan Grayson and other Democrats worried by the Fed's role in the financial crash, helping to sponsor legislation and so on.  None of this legislation is obviously crazy and seems to regard the Fed with the distrust and contempt it actually deserves.  On that basis alone it would seem he would actually be a good choice to oversee such things, though the chances of him getting outmanouvered by corporate stooges and lobbyists elected to Congress are basically 100%.

Now, the guy on the Energy subcomittee on the other hand...

[BabylonHoruv]

I'm also in favor of Ron Paul on the economic board, meanwhile that guy in the energy committee means more giant oil spills. 

I also had to post in this thread on account of being an Anarchist and it apparently being another big anarchist explosion.  Although it looks like it is the right wing sort, I don't really give a crap about gold.

[E.O.T.]

         

You guys have all the wrong values.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCPyylh2Ip4

[East Coast Hustle]

I'm also in favor of Ron Paul on the economic board, meanwhile that guy in the energy committee means more giant oil spills.  

I also had to post in this thread on account of being an Anarchist and it apparently being another big anarchist explosion.  Although it looks like it is the right wing sort, I don't really give a crap about gold.

1. We're talking about RAND Paul, not Ron Paul. Get your frothing insane libertards straight.

2. Literally NOBODY gives a shit about your political views, even more so than the other wanna-be black bloc tards.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I'm also in favor of Ron Paul on the economic board, meanwhile that guy in the energy committee means more giant oil spills.  

I also had to post in this thread on account of being an Anarchist and it apparently being another big anarchist explosion.  Although it looks like it is the right wing sort, I don't really give a crap about gold.

1. We're talking about RAND Paul, not Ron Paul. Get your frothing insane libertards straight.

2. Literally NOBODY gives a shit about your political views, even more so than the other wanna-be black bloc tards.

1.  We're actually talking about Ron.  Check the OP.

2.  IAWTHAB.

[East Coast Hustle]

I stand corrected.

I can't keep my frothing insane libertards straight.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I stand corrected.

I can't keep my frothing insane libertards straight.

It's getting so bad, you can't tell the players without a scorecard.   

[Thurnez Isa]

I would make Ron Paul Emperor if it would mean shutting his internet fanboys up

[Cain]

It didn't work for Obama...

[Bebek Sincap Ratatosk]

Just to assist with the 30 Page goal...

It seems to me that gold or imaginary numbers... we have bigger problems than whats backing our monies.

Mostly, it seems to me that we're currently engaged in a spiral of debt based on how we actually get money.

Let's look at Quantative Easing, for example.

Bank A has a crapload of Government bonds, they're worth 50 Billion dollars.
No one wants to pay $50 Billion dollars for those bonds (or percentages at that ratio).
Bank A has worthless paper and not much money to loan.

So the Government says "Ok, well we'll pay you more than the market wants to pay you for those bonds."
The Bank now has 50 Billion dollars to loan out.

The catch is, the government paid for those bonds... with money they just printed up to buy those bonds with AND they had to actually pay a bit more than the 50 Billion, meaning that the government actually loses some money in the process. By printing money we go further in debt, and we devalue the dollar (since there is now 50 billion more of them floating around).

According to the current plan... the government will be pulling this game for the next 8 months, at 75 Billion dollars worth of bonds per month.

Best yet, these bonds are held by the Federal Reserve Bank and the Federal Reserve EARNS interest on the bonds.

So, not only are we (in the end) buying bonds for more than their market price, with dollars that cost us money to print... but we're also paying interest to the Bank that's used the printed money to buy the bonds.

[Suu]

IN B4 GODWIN'S LAW.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

Last time that was tried, it was the Weimar Republic.

Worked out fine.   

[BabylonHoruv]

I'm also in favor of Ron Paul on the economic board, meanwhile that guy in the energy committee means more giant oil spills.  

I also had to post in this thread on account of being an Anarchist and it apparently being another big anarchist explosion.  Although it looks like it is the right wing sort, I don't really give a crap about gold.

1. We're talking about RAND Paul, not Ron Paul. Get your frothing insane libertards straight.

2. Literally NOBODY gives a shit about your political views, even more so than the other wanna-be black bloc tards.

Yeah, I'd prefer Ron in charge of the Fed over Rand.  I also can't see them putting a freshman legislator in a position that important.

2. If this were true people wouldn't be so fond of giving me shot over them.