Unlimited Wikileaks Shenanigans

[Cain]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

[Adios]

Would it be a fair assumption that anybody who does such things is under some kind of mental duress?

[Chairman Risus]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.


Here's an article on it
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

link to a journal kept by Eric Holder, who wore a shirt that said "NATURAL SELECTION" on the day of the shooting:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal.html

[The Johnny]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.


Here's an article on it
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

link to a journal kept by Eric Holder, who wore a shirt that said "NATURAL SELECTION" on the day of the shooting:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal.html

Well, the "natural selection" shirt isnt related exactly to sociopathy, its more related to narcissism, because the subtext of it is that he is better than others. Or its also part rationalization, "these people dont deserve to live" etc.

[Chairman Risus]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.


Here's an article on it
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

link to a journal kept by Eric Holder, who wore a shirt that said "NATURAL SELECTION" on the day of the shooting:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal.html

Well, the "natural selection" shirt isnt related exactly to sociopathy, its more related to narcissism, because the subtext of it is that he is better than others. Or its also part rationalization, "these people dont deserve to live" etc.

Would you not consider someone who believes that to be "lacking a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience"[1]?

[1] Dictionary definition of a sociopath

[Phox]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.


Here's an article on it
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

link to a journal kept by Eric Holder, who wore a shirt that said "NATURAL SELECTION" on the day of the shooting:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal.html

Well, the "natural selection" shirt isnt related exactly to sociopathy, its more related to narcissism, because the subtext of it is that he is better than others. Or its also part rationalization, "these people dont deserve to live" etc.

Would you not consider someone who believes that to be "lacking a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience"[1]?

[1] Dictionary definition of a sociopath

Wearing the shirt does not mean he "believes" his own propaganda. Just sayin'.

[Chairman Risus]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.


Here's an article on it
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

link to a journal kept by Eric Holder, who wore a shirt that said "NATURAL SELECTION" on the day of the shooting:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal.html

Well, the "natural selection" shirt isnt related exactly to sociopathy, its more related to narcissism, because the subtext of it is that he is better than others. Or its also part rationalization, "these people dont deserve to live" etc.

Would you not consider someone who believes that to be "lacking a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience"[1]?

[1] Dictionary definition of a sociopath

Wearing the shirt does not mean he "believes" his own propaganda. Just sayin'.

We're not arguing about whether or not he believes it. Read his own journal, link provided.

[BadBeast]

Posted by: Risus

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.

Most young men between the ages of say, 14, to 21 ish, go through a stage that can only be described as Sociopathic. Overwhelming feelings of Isolation, rebellion against whatever Authorative figures they encounter, Identification with the most oppositionally defiant role models available, extremely detailed and graphic fantasies about violence and killing,  emotional dislocation, unattainable and disproportional goals,  What with Peer pressure,  Pot, and fucking dreadful whiny Emo Music, they  display symptoms that in an Adult, would merit serious observation. But then their Hormones settle down a bit, they get girlfriends, jobs, and start to grow up, usually, into normal well adjusted  Humans. So I'm not buying that "Sociopath" bollocks. It's a cop out, that just saves having to examine the real problems. Sometimes when things like this happen, there is no rationalising it. There aren't always cut and dried answers as to why it happened, and there never will be. Sometimes, crazy shit gets crazy, and you sometimes  just can't predict patterns where crazy is King. But to say it's down to the sociopathy of a troubled adolescent is glib, and easy. So in the absence of definitive cause and effect, people will cling to whatever they can.

[Chairman Risus]

Posted by: Risus

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.

Most young men between the ages of say, 14, to 21 ish, go through a stage that can only be described as Sociopathic. Overwhelming feelings of Isolation, rebellion against whatever Authorative figures they encounter, Identification with the most oppositionally defiant role models available, extremely detailed and graphic fantasies about violence and killing,  emotional dislocation, unattainable and disproportional goals,  What with Peer pressure,  Pot, and fucking dreadful whiny Emo Music, they  display symptoms that in an Adult, would merit serious observation. But then their Hormones settle down a bit, they get girlfriends, jobs, and start to grow up, usually, into normal well adjusted  Humans. So I'm not buying that "Sociopath" bollocks. It's a cop out, that just saves having to examine the real problems. Sometimes when things like this happen, there is no rationalising it. There aren't always cut and dried answers as to why it happened, and there never will be. Sometimes, crazy shit gets crazy, and you sometimes  just can't predict patterns where crazy is King. But to say it's down to the sociopathy of a troubled adolescent is glib, and easy. So in the absence of definitive cause and effect, people will cling to whatever they can.

Most young men between the ages of 14 to 21 attempt to off their entire school, but you make a good point in that there were certainly other external factors that influenced such an event.

[Phox]

Also the only evidence of "mental illness" I can find is that they were on anti-depressants, though admittedly this is on a brief search.  Given over 120 million people suffer from clinical depression, and they are almost uniformly non-violent in behaviour (excessively so, in many cases), I am not inclined to believe it was anything more than an aggravating factor, at best.

There are many more examples of people going on killing sprees due to pervasive bullying and systematic humiliation, by comparison.

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.


Here's an article on it
http://www.slate.com/id/2099203/sidebar/2099208/

link to a journal kept by Eric Holder, who wore a shirt that said "NATURAL SELECTION" on the day of the shooting:
http://acolumbinesite.com/eric/writing/journal.html

Well, the "natural selection" shirt isnt related exactly to sociopathy, its more related to narcissism, because the subtext of it is that he is better than others. Or its also part rationalization, "these people dont deserve to live" etc.

Would you not consider someone who believes that to be "lacking a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience"[1]?

[1] Dictionary definition of a sociopath

Wearing the shirt does not mean he "believes" his own propaganda. Just sayin'.

We're not arguing about whether or not he believes it. Read his own journal, link provided.

We're not?

It reads just about like every other teenage boy's journal I've ever read, with minor exceptions. If he wrote in it prior to the plot, where's the rest of it? If he wrote in it every day, why the skips? if he didn't do either, then it's less a journal and more a log of the plan, which means it says what he wants it to say, and nothing more.

[Chairman Risus]

Taking it out of context, you could try to attribute it to other people, but the fact is that combined with the crimes Eric Holder committed, it paints him as a sociopath with little to no regard for other human life.
I don't get it.
Are you trying to say that he didn't believe any of the stuff he wrote down or told his friends, and had some other secret reason that motivated him?

[Phox]

Taking it out of context, you could try to attribute it to other people, but the fact is that combined with the crimes Eric Holder committed, it paints him as a sociopath with little to no regard for other human life.
I don't get it.
Are you trying to say that he didn't believe any of the stuff he wrote down or told his friends, and had some other secret reason that motivated him?

Mostly playing Devil's advocate.

[The Johnny]

Posted by: Risus

The way I remember it, the media largely reported that the blame was to be placed on bullying, but when people actually looked into it, one or more of the shooters were just sociopathic.

Most young men between the ages of say, 14, to 21 ish, go through a stage that can only be described as Sociopathic. Overwhelming feelings of Isolation, rebellion against whatever Authorative figures they encounter, Identification with the most oppositionally defiant role models available, extremely detailed and graphic fantasies about violence and killing,  emotional dislocation, unattainable and disproportional goals,  What with Peer pressure,  Pot, and fucking dreadful whiny Emo Music, they  display symptoms that in an Adult, would merit serious observation. But then their Hormones settle down a bit, they get girlfriends, jobs, and start to grow up, usually, into normal well adjusted  Humans. So I'm not buying that "Sociopath" bollocks. It's a cop out, that just saves having to examine the real problems. Sometimes when things like this happen, there is no rationalising it. There aren't always cut and dried answers as to why it happened, and there never will be. Sometimes, crazy shit gets crazy, and you sometimes  just can't predict patterns where crazy is King. But to say it's down to the sociopathy of a troubled adolescent is glib, and easy. So in the absence of definitive cause and effect, people will cling to whatever they can.

I agree with this, just calling them sociopaths is a cop-out if one really wants to understand what was going on, i just wasnt feeling like making a detailed explanation.

[The Johnny]

And now ill actually read the emo journal thingy, brb.

ETA: fack, its 9 pages.

[The Johnny]

Basic proyection, hatred for himself turned towards the world. Its also narcissism, "we are special because we are self aware" "we understand what others don't", kind of a blowhard too. Also, some very self-convenient ideas about spelling propriety and im sure that bleeds into everything else too.

The natural selection bit just seems like a rationalization to kill, they want to kill to vent their anger or to get back at their tormentors. It also plays along with narcissism "im not a retard, im not disabled, it's a group that is an easy target because they are weak", this is whats called identification with the aggressor, they feel weak and oppressed, so they aim to do that to those they consider weak and vulnerable.