Anyone that's flying on Wednesday.

[The Good Reverend Roger]

It doesn't matter what the actual statistical probability is.  You are dealing with a public that bought into "death panels".  You are dealing with a public that just put back into power a political party that was at the steering wheel when our economy went into the drink.  You aren't going to get the horse to the trough to look at the water, much less drink it.  The American people overall believe we must be doing something to secure the country against terrorists.  Look at what we've done to 9/11.  It's practically a National Holiday.  This country has latched onto that and incorporated it into its overall identity and there are absolutely no signs that we are going to let go of that.   

So then the question becomes how much something do we do, how much something do we put up with in the name of security.  If we have to do something (have it in that the American people demand that we do something) what can we do that minimizes impact on liberty and freedom.  And in this thread, when it goes too far how do we address it so that it changes. 

But the arguments around statistics simply won't get us anywhere because the people aren't willing to listen to that. 

This.  Logic isn't a viable tool with the American public, these days.

[Mesozoic Mister Nigel]

Heeeee! Oh shit. I want a flag of that.

[LMNO]

http://www.principiadiscordia.com/forum/index.php?topic=27486.0

[Cain]

I still think suing them for sexual harassment and assault is the way to go.

Gonna be hard to run the TSA when it's drowning in court orders and paying out tens of thousands of dollars to everyone.

[hooplala]

I still think suing them for sexual harassment and assault is the way to go.

Gonna be hard to run the TSA when it's drowning in court orders and paying out tens of thousands of dollars to everyone.

I don't think I said so before, but yes I agree.

[Requia ☣]

In particular the airline employees (and possibly some TSA people as well) suing on the sexual harassment thing will be hard for the courts to ignore.  Even if the TSA wins all the suits a lawsuit is expensive and time consuming, and the judges will have to at least pretend to hear out the prosecution.

[Dysnomia]

I would be highly tempted to go through the scanner, with "fuck you perverts" written across my stomach under my clothes, and give them all a nice smile before striding off to my flight. 


Of course, this is all easily remedied for me if I simply drive, or take the train somewhere instead (within reason).

[LMNO]

What if we simple through without wearing underwear?  Be bold!  Drop trou, look at them, and say, "WHAT?!"

[Cain]

Hoopla and Requia, precisely.

Sometimes, I am a fan of the "lawfare" route.  Rarely, as laws are obviously written by the same vested interests they so often fail to catch, but sometimes, it is the right tool for the right job.  And this seems to be a perfect situation for it.

[Disco Pickle]

What if we simple through without wearing underwear?  Be bold!  Drop trou, look at them, and say, "WHAT?!"

wear baggy shorts commando style.  bring back Umbro gym shorts and call em TSA shorts.

take a jog around the airport before you get in line so you got a nice film of sweat on your boys.

[Triple Zero]

It doesn't matter what the actual statistical probability is.  You are dealing with a public that bought into "death panels".  You are dealing with a public that just put back into power a political party that was at the steering wheel when our economy went into the drink.  You aren't going to get the horse to the trough to look at the water, much less drink it.  The American people overall believe we must be doing something to secure the country against terrorists.  Look at what we've done to 9/11.  It's practically a National Holiday.  This country has latched onto that and incorporated it into its overall identity and there are absolutely no signs that we are going to let go of that.

I get that.

But unless you're saying that those people are actually RIGHT, it actually DOES matter what the statistical probability is.

For one thing, it matters, because it is the TRUTH. And the tRUTH doesn't care about the public opinion.

But the arguments around statistics simply won't get us anywhere because the people aren't willing to listen to that. 

I'm not arguing, I'm just stating the facts.

And you do realize that your reply just pretty much placed you in the category of "people not willing to listen to <statistics>", right? Maybe it's for a different reason, but it's still the same.

Look at what you were saying in the post I replied to (damnit for the nested quotes being gone), you were saying the terrorists are going to find ways around it, talking about "protecting us from harm", etc. YOU actually said you don't think it's possible to be both free and secure. And you said it in the context of terrorist threats. The statistics I quoted directly contradict that: As far as terrorist threats go, you're already as secure as you're going to be when you compare it to every-day risks. For freedom, just subtract the absurd TSA crap.
Sure that's not going to happen, but for a moment it seemed you were actually buying into their bull, acknowledging it. It wasn't "the people" ignoring the statistical facts, in this case it was you. And as far as problem solving goes, that's not very useful.

[Triple Zero]

What if we simple through without wearing underwear?  Be bold!  Drop trou, look at them, and say, "WHAT?!"

I'm still all for the ladies that opt out and get groped to wear huge fake penises.

(or real penises, I don't care*)

(*as long as they're from a sustainable carbon-neutral source, and organic)

[Richter]

I don't think I said so before, but yes I agree.

3rd'ed.
A long stream of letters, complaints, cries of harassment, demands for proof of image destruction, class aciton suits, etc., are going to eat time, and therefore money from the TSA.  The only way they win is if everyone walks unprotesting through the scanner.

wear baggy shorts commando style.  bring back Umbro gym shorts and call em TSA shorts.

take a jog around the airport before you get in line so you got a nice film of sweat on your boys.

I'm leaning towards flying kilted. 

[The Good Reverend Roger]

I still think suing them for sexual harassment and assault is the way to go.

Gonna be hard to run the TSA when it's drowning in court orders and paying out tens of thousands of dollars to everyone.

How many people will actually sue?

[LMNO]

I'm leaning towards flying kilted. 

We may have a winner.